Think about it, if vishkar abolishes poverty, provides clean water, safe housing and safe neibourghoods, the could save millions. You could say they did save milliOne in India after the crisis, saving people from death by poverty. Then it becomes interesting.
They took lives in rio when they blew up the building but, the would have saved many many more in India by stopping poverty in some areas. Is it alright to kill some to save a lot? Is that the price? Is it worth it. Who dictates who dies and who stays. Why do some live and others don’t. It becomes interesting
They blew up the building murdering innocent people without warning them to evacuate. They claim to kill only to save others, but they didn’t even give people a chance to escape.
Symmetra doesn’t know it yet, but I’m sure she’ll realize Vishkar is a horrible organization with no regards to anyone else’s lives.
Again, but they saved ( from what I would assume ) millions more. The amount of people that would have died because poverty imvastoy outnumbers the ppl in the building. What if that building destruction saves 1000 ppl? Is it worth? Idk but it’s interesting
It doesn’t matter. They didn’t even warn them. Vishkar is an evil organization, there’s no way around it. We don’t even know that they actually saved anybody. They would rather slaughter innocent people than try to help them in a more moral way.
There’s so many other ways to help people besides outright murder.
I hope they get portrayed in a gray moral area. Like, what if Vishkar actually helped other places in a good way without oppression. That could be where they send Symmetra and other prominent architects to.
the entire point of symmetra is that she’s working for a corrupt company because she thinks their making the world a better place, but there not. the comic clearly showed that, but it seems that that’s gone over your head.
This is where the depending on how they are written comes into play
Making them the black and white evil corporation would be so incredibly boring. They can easily write themselves a way to make vishkar both good and bad and make it a moral dilemma for sym to go through
Kill some but save more? Bad now but better in the future?
doomfist is written in the exact same way “creating wars to improve humanity” but he’s still suppose to be a villian. viskar despite “seeming” to have good intentions is still evil. moira is also “morally gray” not caring about good or bad and just wanted to discover ways to “improve humanity” but again both she and doomfist are shown to be villains.
I wouldn’t call moira a villain just someone who doesn’t care what affiliation your with as long as you provide funds for her research she’ll join your little charade.
DF, i suppose is probs overwatches version of thanos to be brutally honest in my book, or he is still having a pout about not being able to compete in martial art tournaments due to his augmentations.
Vishkar is kinda in a dark grey area, they are bad but can be good if they drop their connections with talon and start anew or whatevs
The problem with Vishkar is that they seem to hold the ideas of a very strict caste system that frowns upon the poor, IE. elitism.
Not only that, while their motives are altruistic, they’re also exceedingly underhanded in their methods of executing said motives, regardless if people want to accept their help or not.
So in some lights, Vishkar can be good, but at the same time they can be sort of bad.
i mean she’s still part of talon, which is still a villain group, plus just because she doesn’t care about good and evil doesn’t mean she isn’t good or evil, saying "i don’t care about good or evil i just want to murder people " is still evil. just because she doesn’t see herself as evil doesn;t mean she isn’t.
and i do view moira and morally grey and i don’t think she does stuff TO be evil, or that she likes being evil, im just saying alot of villians in media have good intentions
But that’s the thing she doesn’t want to murder people, She just wants to continue her research. She honestly could care less about killing people unless if its part of her research to discover something. I mean I’m not saying she isn’t evil, I’m just saying she really doesn’t bother herself with morality since its a hindrance to her research.
Also about her joining talon, I mean where else could she go? Overwatch tried to shut her down, she got recruited by blackwatch and then that got suspended and shut down in end along with overwatch. Vishkar focuses more on hard light than genetics. There is oasis, where they arn’t bothered by ethics or morality. Talon just offered to patron her in exchange for her services and findings.
Honestly, I think Doomfist is mentally unstable and personally wants the world to go primal out of a desire to fight again.
There has been very little to suggest that his goals are truly altruistic and not borne out of selfish desires.
I know a lot of people tend to view Symmetra as the victim in this whole scheme, and to some extent, she is.
However, we cannot ignore the fact that regardless of Vishkar’s teaching and what not, she’s still terribly elitist and is very condescending towards those who she considers being of a lower class than herself.
So while she might disagree with Vishkar’s more violent methods (IE. blowing up a neighborhood) she still has a very elitist mindset at the end of the day.
The problem with trying to make groups or specific people morally grey is that intent never matters, it’s the execution that matters at the end of the day.
Regardless of whether or not she intended for people to be hurt or die, she’s still committing acts of atrocity.
but does anyone in talon view themselves as evil? doomfist wants to cause wars to “improve humanity” so he probably doesn’t view himself as evil.
In a way i agree and disagree, yes what vishkar is doing is for a better future and are seeing the big picture the problem is how they are doing it. going around killing innocent people isn’t the right way, you aren’t any better than the villains and murders.