Okay so look. I understand a lot of people think widow is op and that she is the best hit scan with the highest skill requirements.
One thing many people don’t think about when they ask for a widowmaker buff is how it will effect top level play.
Let’s say they buff her mine and make it do more damage or have a slow effect. Since this is a AOE ability this would increase her damage way to much and make her completely broken and op. Okay so let’s say they increase her charge time for her sniper. This would make it were pros could spam body shots and get any kill they want.
So basically buffing widows damage will make her op. This is were my idea comes in. This won’t affect her damage and it is a slight change to her kit. It is as simple as changing her grapple. Make her grapple were you can hold onto the place you grapple. It dosnt have to be forever but just long enough to get off a few shots.
Doing this would allow widow to be more viable on all maps and in many situations. As many higher tier widows know if the other team is playing with shields you’ll have to pull off a grapple shot to take out the healers behind the barriers. So doing this would allow widow to have better positioning and cause the enemy team to either counter pick her or play close to the barriers.
Now my main reasoning for wanting this buff in the first place is to make her on a even playing field to Hanzo. I know many will disagree with this but right now and for a long time now Hanzo has been a better pick over widow for a while now.
The only thing widow has is the fact that she is a hitscan and he shoots projectiles, but now his projectiles are so fast a decent Hanzo can spam in the direction of a enemy and kill them easily. His movement speed isn’t slowed by charging an arrow he can jump while charging an arrow he has her ult on Cooldown, and finally, 1v1 a Hanzo as widow is almost impossible anymore. He can peek and shoot so fast since his movement speed isn’t effected that much. So realistically you don’t have a chance to shoot him and if you do you just end up trading.
I strongly believe that this minor kit change would make widow atleast be close to as worth picking as Hanzo. Let me know what you guys think. I might be a little bias since I am a widow main but my problem is that at this point I’m tempted to just start maiming Hanzo since he is so much more viable in all situations. Any other ideas for buffs or kit changes?
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I wouldn’t change Widowmaker’s kit, because I don’t think she needs changes.
(But I do know there are some players on the forum who want her nerfed.)
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Well my question is how do you think they could make her as viable as Hanzo? Hanzo is good at close range mid range and far plus he has much more mobility he even has a higher base damage for body shots
And to it being to powerful
I could understand how it might be viewed as to powerful at first mainly because people wouldn’t know the best way to counter it. I honestly think if they made it were she could maybe get 2 charged shots off in total it wouldn’t be that bad. The Cooldown is already 12 seconds which is the longest movement ability Cooldown in the whole game
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wall of text
and i can tell from the title alone that this is a really idiotic thread.
widowmaker needs nerfs, not buffs. she has been the top 3 DPS in the game (currently 2nd after sombra right now) for about 2 years now.
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widowmaker is very viable already
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The thing is, If she has to change, it would be a nerf to her mobility. not a buff to it.
She was supposed to be countered by mobility. Not evade it.
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It would be unrealistic to ask to have 2 heroes be equally viable. That’s just impossible. I think Widowmaker is fine in her current state.
Let me ask you a question as well.
Do you think Widowmaker isn’t viable?
Lies. Hanzo’s slowdown during arrow charge is the main reason it is so hard to 1v1 vs Widow as Hanzo.
As of rest of your wall of text, I just played against some gm and t500 widows. I dont think widow needs any buffs.
I strongly believe that this minor kit change would make widow atleast be close to as worth picking as Hanzo
Just open T500 list
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Widowmaker would need a part of her kit nerfed before a buff is agreed on.
8 second grapple was a huge mistake.
Venom mine got a wall hack buff.
Her ult has got buffed and nerfed throughout the games run and only now it has counterplay.
Changes can swing characters in an out of the meta, sometimes indirectly. Making such ripple effects can lead to a meta where tanking and stacked healing is needed to overcome burst damage and one shots.
just a thought
By nerfing Hanzo.
20 char
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I’d rather they just revert hanzos projectile speed tbh. Leap was already a buff and storm arrow is also a solid buff plus the Sonic arrow buff
The arrow change changed his skill floor and his style. And the devs agree. So I’d rather they just go back to old Hanzo speed. He was hard, but a good Hanzo was near unstoppable
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Absolutely. It makes no sense that non-hitscan bullets are actually all slower than an arrow. Orisa’s 80 m/s bullets should be increased to 100 m/s and Hanzo’s 100 m/s should be lowered to 80 m/s.
His damage output wouldn’t even change, just increased his skill floor.
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VALOR LOL its ya boy landosike here
Wall of text made it a little difficult to read but if I’m understanding correctly you want something like Hammond’s grapple where he can hold himself in place but you still want Widow to be able to shoot?
(Kinda like in her short?)
That’s interesting, but I think all around Widow is in a good spot right now.
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If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
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Widow is already very oppressive as it is, she doesn’t need an ability that grants her even more angles.
I do apologize for the wall of text made this last night when I was pretty tired lol, but yea something similar to Hammond it would just make more sense for her as a character and one thing you guys have to think of is do you even really think pros would use that ability a lot? The best way to counter a good widow is a good widow so if widow is up high hanging there and has no protection she will just get shot down. That’s why I don’t think it would effect high rank gameplay but it would make her more viable on lower ranks without increasing her lethality in higher ranks.
I do honestly think if they brought back down hanzos arrow speed it would level things out so much more the point that Orisas bullets shoot slower than an arrow is a really good one.
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