Updated - Widow isn't op! It's your position thats bad :/

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Spawn camping ftw // please use statistics when both goats and double shield exist just to counter her // She is weak outside shield metas trust me /s

https://www.reddit.com/r/bOverwatch/comments/drwgc8/potg_in_the_first_8_seconds/

200 HP sniper , close range smg , small body hitbox, a poison trap , a overpowered escape, and a wall hack ulti lol

ONLY conter = another Widow.

Nerfs … Zero.

Let me understand ow is a team based game of 6x6 where you can easily lose a 5x6 and they add One shots SNIPERS?
I never Saw a game where a sniper was this overpowered lol its sad
No wonder ppl need 2 shields to at least BE able to breathe a little

Better buff dmg Dealers cuz we need more dmg and healing.

But you ONLY complain wes yo suggestions?? Idk im not a member of the balance team Being paid more than min wage to buff and Nerf the wrong stuff once a month.

But idk maybe give Widow a longer charge time , or 160 HP so Ash can try to counter her

Edit? Is this how we add stuff? Anyways. People are focusing too much on the video. Understandable. But the reason i wanted a spawn kill video was to trigger people.

Why? I don’t think a sniper thats op killing 3 ppl from safe distancie this fast should BE a thing.
Doesn’t matter if they are bronze. People shouldn’t BE forced to have barriers shields every single game for the rest of this games life because of snipers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/ap9dqp/clean_widow_potg/

Even without barriers no character should BE able to do this from safety in so little time.

Whats in this video isn’t fun. I get it fun is subjective. But no character should BE this broken in a 6x6 game. Its annoying and makes ppl feel like garbage playing this game.

Maybe Widow is some of the reason the balance is this bad? I mean goats…double shield… Players just keep looking for ways to avoid her and hanzo

I just think…they are afraid of nerfing Widow there i Said it

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shes op get over it. theres a reason why she gets focus when shes on the game all teh time

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Uhhhhmmm… I suppose you’ve never heard of the AWP.

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Widow is OP, but only because of one shot, mobility and small hitbox combo. That’s why doomfish is op as well, but because of shield gains

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The video for those who can’t decipher OP’s butchered formatting.

This play is the equivalent of junkrat placing a mine, placing a trap, and throwing a few left clicks at spawn door to get an early play of the game. That is, the enemy team’s positioning was pretty hecking bad.

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The problem I find with WM is that the sniper in this game does not blind the sniper on the outer layer of their scope. Even when scope in, they still have a clear view of their surrounds, which heavily contribute to them being able to react and strong.

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ah yes let’s use cherrypicked reddit clips vs bronze players to showcase why x character is broken lmafo

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Thats a WEP , not a character. And tbh you can also 2 shot headshot anyone with a ak there

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Umm. Excuse me. The widow was not dead weight, so it can’t be as low as bronze. I’d say gold, plat, or thereabouts. Low enough for the enemies to give the illusion of being bots, yet high enough for a widow to capitalize on their bottness when the stars align.

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You know what’s funny?

In the clip you show YOU LITERALLY DIED BECAUSE YOUR POSITIONING WAS BAD. :man_facepalming:

Why did three of your squishies exit the spawn on their own instead of grouping up with the tanks? You know what makes it really hard for the Widow to shoot three of your team? A big damn shield protecting them. Or, y’know, just walking through closed quarters rather than walking in a straight line in the most open exit from spawn. :man_shrugging:

So yes. It’s your position that’s bad :joy: Improve yourself and you won’t have to demand nerfs for heroes in the bottom half both in terms of their winrate and their pickrate.

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Most people above silver spot the spawn mine. Only one person can get caught in the trap. His left clicks can be heard when fired and have travel time.

Widow one shots people before they know what happened.

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I like how you added the :joy: just to try to annoy me.

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That’s… actually true, sorry. :sweat_smile:

What I said is still accurate though, if you’re splitting up outside of spawn and not noticing the widow, it’s an issue you can fix, it doesn’t require nerfs.

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Good to know that you understand the distinction. Let’s just theorize here now.

Theory 1: Overwatch characters were designed based on Team Fortress 2 characters.
Fact 1: Team Fortress 2 characters were designed based on Team Fortress classic.
Fact 2: Team Fortress classic classes were designed with WEAPON LOADOUTS.
Fact 3: Team Fortress classic was a quake mod, a game known to house some of the most broken weapons.

When you really think about it, you’ll see the similarities and they line up directly. Character personalities were created to provide personification to weapons and loadouts. It’s not a long stretch. Therefore, weapons are basically one part of a class are one part of a character.

In this instance you can validate the statement in the sense that, certain characters which are almost based entirely on their weapons, are in fact a REPRESENTATION OF THAT WEAPON.

Widowmaker = long range sniper rifle. AWP = long range sniper rifle.

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“Most” people above gold would also not walk out of spawn doors without their tanks like a bunch of bots. Sometimes it happens though, just like Junkrat sometimes can land a kill or two from the mines.

Keep in mind that the Widow was completely visible in her location. Not seeing her was on them in this case. They left from different spawn doors from their tanks, they walked in straight lines, and they didn’t spot the enemy widow with the massive outline. The Mercy especially was a bot.

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Did you ever heard of the Machina?

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The reaction times were also shamefully slow, even a particularly talented snail could escape in that situation. One death there was understandable, anything more than that is just embarrassing.

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Go top500 with widow untill it got nerfed. Lul.
widow: “In yourrrr drrrreams”

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From TF2? It was strong but gave the snipers position Away. You can kill the sniper easily on TF2 too.
But Machina had that you can’t shoot without zoom thing that was mostly ignored because of snipers melee or smg ( if he didn’t have a razorback or a croc to prevent headshots.
TF2 had so Many ways to kill snipers (snipers lacked mobility) but Machina was indeed strong af with the penetrating bullets and extra dmg

Now after 7 years and with competitive i have no idea how the Machina preforms

Didn’t Machina also have a long charge?

Its old TF2 with broken weapons like soda Popper, reserve Shooter , that máfia spy revolver… Game was so fun back then… Amazing memories

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She’s a traditional sniper with no traditional sniper weaknesses.

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