Unpopular opinion - Not all people who wants specific gender etc. are weird

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I had this in my mind and i kinda wanted to share it, i see a lot of hate on those who say - why no male heroes etc.?

For me, i want a new male DPS, preferably a tall, white guy with muscles, some scary tactical assassin, with something similiar to nanosuit and gauss rifle for example.

Why? Just because, i dont want to identify with anything, iam not tactial assassin with muscles either, just because i like this imagination and would like to play as something like that.

Its a game, its like a weapon, if someone wants specific weapon in cod for example, they dont talk about - why sniper? We have enough snipers already, pistols arent represented enough. -…

I hope you dont get my point from wrong side, i dont have anything against any hero, i will be happy for any hero which will come, no matter the gender, color, nationality or something…

I just think its ridiculous why its dangerous when someone says that he would like a new hero to look somehow specific.

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I mean. Genji. /20chars

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Most people say that they need to representate some group, and thats not good reason to make hero at all in my opinion.

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Thing is, we aren’t making the heroes. We’re yelling at each other over whether one ought to beg the devs for a certain characteristic in future hero releases. It’s just silly to object to these requests.

It might even give the devs a great idea for a new hero, you never know.

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I dont say we make, its bad reason to make one, because people are like “We shoudl get that hero, make it happend dev team!”
Great idea, right, especialy if all people do is put gender and like two other words because most important is to them this one aspect. Just like with “we need hero from this country because i come from it” also great way to inspare someone to make hero, im suuuure of it.

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It’s a video game so who cares if they’re man, woman, robot… whatever it may be. If the character is cool and fun to play it shouldn’t matter on their race or gender or anything of that sort. Example: Wrecking Ball.

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Honestly who cares?
You guys are just special snowflakes.
All that matters is Blizz release interesting unique heroes that expand the gameplay of OW.
Not some stupid appraisal because of gender studies.

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That’s a tiny minority and aside from a few exceptions, most OPs that ask for representative stuff get a ton of uncalled for hostile responses. It’s pathetic.

Even if that were true for all of those requests, where’s the harm? Are you afraid the devs might actually listen to them and create a hero for purely representation’s sake?

It’s probably not. Which is why i really don’t get your issue with it. The devs aren’t going to make a X, Y hero because a random person said they have to.

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Afraid, i dont get that part at all. I just dont see heroes made for representation sake as something worth time of development.
If people can post opinion that they wona see that, i can post agains it too.
And a lot of time its just so stupid when someone is thinking that this game “needs” hero base on representation. No, game dont need any (insert country you comming from or gender or what ever) hero, it might be cool one, but there is no need for it, just say something like: “Im wona that hero and here is what i think he should have”.

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Chances are, any developer that cares about the quality of their product doesn’t do that. Your fears are completely unfounded and certainly don’t warrant open hostility to posters asking for any kind of representation.

Are you admitting then that when you ‘post against it’, it’s because you actually don’t want X or Y represented and not because you object due to some vague artistic integrity nonsense?

Like, i’d defend that with glee against zealous representators (if the disagreement was articulated respectfully, that is) but you don’t get to slam others for what they want and then hide behind excuses, pretending as if your opinion wasn’t entirely based on personal preferences as well.

Agreed. Wording it like this is stupid but again, that’s only a minority.

Yet when they listen to your ‘no, we don’t need any X or Y’ criticism and express it as carefully as possible, the toxic responses happen anyway.

There is nothing wrong with asking for representation ffs. Stop being edgy bois and let people make perfectly reasonable requests in peace.

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Unpopular Opinion: People who still try to use this as a clickbait trope in 2018 are about 9 months past expiration date.

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Nice try Ares, but Kratos is already in scandinavia

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Again, im not affraid, as a person who spend a lot of time plaing games i dont see point of representation, if world in game is full of white people, then there is nothing wrong with it, if it had black people, again nothing wrong with it. If some hero is made because people complain that they dont get this representation then its bad thing.

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I dont want any hero to represent anything. Even if people will ask for hero from my country or something close to people i see every day i will be agains this also. There is no point i base hero on those motives no matter what they are.

Its not looking like minority in some groups.

And there is nothing wrong in my opinion to ask to stop asking for represenatation and post that this hero is not needed if thats true, where it have no actual meaning anyway for anyone, but it might change what is going to be add just tu make some groups happy. Its free forum, where i can say something agains what i think is pointless, there is no safe zone from posting what people think its true. Thats why bouth people like you who defend it, and people like me who are agains it have freedom to post about our point of view. You cannot silent this voice, and it have purpose- To show that there are people who actualy dont see it as needed at any point, what developers should know also.

Im not edgy, i just post what i think on this forum, thats my purpose in going to this place.

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My frustration from this type of thing just comes from working on writing projects in the past. I hated having restrictions about such things, and would outright refuse to comply with stupid token characters.

For example, I remember a friend and I were co-creating a story, and he was just suddenly like, “Hey, we need a black character.”

I was like, “Um … why?”

His response, “Diversity.”

I honestly got angry because, to me, creating a character to show I’m not racist is more racist than not having said character at all. I overreacted a bit to that, honestly, and he and I had quite the argument. XD

Over time the story did eventually have a few black characters, but they came about organically through the natural writing process and nothing about them felt stereotypical or forced. It turned out so much better that way.

So yeah, sorry for the rant. XP It’s just … I think it’s generally better for the story (and the writer’s sanity) if everyone just lets things unfold naturally instead of checking off boxes in some diversity agenda.

I’d be perfectly fine with more black, brown, white, yellow, blue, green - whatever - characters in Overwatch. But forcing it kind of cheapens the entire thing, in my opinion.

Edit: I should clarify that what you’re doing in the OP is fine. Like, people suggesting things or sharing ideas is great. I’m mostly referring to the people who get angry when a new hero isn’t X race or Y gender, and the people who outright demand certain traits in new heroes.

Those guys are taking it too far.

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But Genji isn’t white? (Caucasian white, that is, which is what I assume was meant in the OP)

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Basically, the people who are obsessed with having a LGBTQ hero are saying that the L (or perhaps, bi) hero we already have, Tracer, isn’t a good enough representation of LGBTQ and that’s honestly just insulting and disingenuous, kinda like how people think Lucio, Pharah, Reaper, and Symm don’t represent people of (their respective) color because they aren’t AMERICAN representations.

Overwatch is a GLOBAL force. It is made up from people from around the world, not just America. That means the ethnic make-up of the force is also global.

And as for LGBTQ, statistically, there would only be one other LGBTQ hero on the team currently. Also, the notion that every hero has to have their sexual preference (or gender) made public is ridiculous. 100% of them might be bi. We don’t need a wink close-up shot about it. Soldier might be gay.

Heroes in heterosexual relationships or heroes who have had children (not necessarily proof of heterosexuality, but we’ll put it here)

  • Ana
  • Widowmaker
  • Torb (has 5,000 kids and a hot wife)
  • Arguably Mercy/Genji, but that’s no more explicit than Roadhog/Junkrat.

Am I missing one? Remember it has to be explicitly presented as a romantic or sexual relationship.

Compare this with

  • Tracer
  • Moira (gender non-conforming in the standard glam-rock way)

And you have a 5:2 explicit ratio.

Winston is pansexual, since he’s an ape and has a crush on Mei. I do understand if people think that doesn’t count, though.

of note the word heterosexual without the “sexual” part of the word isn’t allowed, and that’s a little foolish.

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The point here is not what the devs chose to represent but that simply asking for them to consider including X or Y is perfectly fine. It’s just a request and there’s no need to jump down someone’s throat for making it.

See, this is why i can’t take this nonsense seriously. On the one hand, you argue that we shouldn’t tell the devs what to do. Yet if the Overwatch team decided to listen to that particular feedback and make a hero with X or Y characteristic, it would be wrong because why exactly? It’s their decision to make, remember?

That’s what you want and i can respect that. Can you respect what others want without derailing their threads? It’s all i’m arguing for here, really.

Except that your heckling turns every harmless representation thread into a toxic mess.

Of course you’re free to share your opinion. I’m just telling you that your opinion is wrong.

I can try to convince you, though.