I play DPS in QP a lot and I average 3.7 (on all roles actually), I gotta ask, why are literal SILVER and GOLD tanks put into masters lobbies?
It’s not fun for anyone except for the Silver Ball player who gets to roll around, do nothing, be dead on CD and hold the lobby hostage for the tanks and DPS there and have crazy laughs about some funny boop he got into a pit and at the people POLITELY asking him to swap.
Are masters+ players who willingly queue QP supposed to be a caretaker role who teaches low SR players the game? If so, why do they always pick the hardest hero to get value from, like Hog (cannot land a hook and one game I had a Silver hog hook a Dva bomb into the full masters tank + support lineup), Ball, Zarya.
Why can they not respect that the lobby is above their skill level and take something easy like Orisa or Rein?
I have 58% winrate as Ashe in masters, in QP of 20 games I played as Ashe the last few days I reckon I won like 2. Ashe is a somewhat situational heroes that relies on tanks holding the right spots so that you can deal damage over an extended period of time, and farm BOB. However, in plat and gold lobbies, I always get 4 manned because the enemy tanks + DPS ignore my tanks and the way to play the game seems that tanks of each team ignore each other and go for the respective backlines (which is a very cringe way to play the game that, luckily, happens very rarely in masters+ lobbies). I should not always have to go Cassidy, Hanzo, Bastion and be on the BEST DPS pick possible because our win condition is that both DPS kill 5 while our tanks AFK in the backline
I play tank in QP sometimes, when I feel for it, cause there are like 2 tanks I really like to play. It´s QP and I feel like I don´t have to have a master degree to play it sometimes…
You can ask me to swap and I might be willing to do so, but I mainly play/can play only 2 - 3 of them, so if you ask for something out of my range, don´t be surprised if I fail…
QP is also best lobby for learning. A.I. is not. Even on hard mode is usualy a spawncamping the A.I., that die before, they even leave their spawn.
I don´t play comp on purpose, so I can play even heroes I don´t play that well - without stress.
Also…if you try to play tank, you will find out, that we are tossed into every lobby possible, cause tanks are rare - it´s pretty bold to expect, that we will always go for an easiest option, just because we end up in your VIP lobby… as if we had a choice.
Because too few Masters, Diamonds, and Plats can be bothered to play tank, especially the ones who play DPS all the time.
If you want better players in your games, that’s a good idea.
As the guy who plays MT in QP and is frequently left on an island by his “team”, there is no easy tank when the level of the lobby is much higher than you and you’re frequently abandoned in favor of the duo or stack that’s playing their own game and doesn’t have any use for you.
At any rate, it’s QP and there’s functionally no matchmaker anymore. The low ranked player doesn’t want to be in your game either, mostly because guys like you are judgmental donkeys with egos larger than their IQ. Go play comp and leave us be.
you’re a minority playing in a less populated game mode.
im not being funny but you have ranked right rhere, if your teammates skill is a factor you want to concern yourself with, play the mode designed around exactly that you bot
There are so few tanks right now, the fact you’re getting a tank at all is a minor miracle. You’re more likely to get dps players farming tickets than actual tank players in QP right now. That’s why you’re seeing brawlers and ‘dps-like’ tank picks in your lobbies.
Those tanks did not ask to get placed in a Masters + lobby either. They probably feel super out of their depth and like nothing they do matters because they’re being farmed.
QP is the mode people use for learning roles and has virtually no matchmaking right now, if you want people to play like M+ tanks then comp is your friend.
You just can’t expect greatness from QP (after all that’s where people like me live, honestly I’m just a goblin that rolls my face over the keyboard.)
I am not unreasonable, I don’t ask you to meta slave in QP (or in ranked!), however if your skill level is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than the lobby you are in, I expect you to play an easy hero because this is a team game and by feeding and doing nothing on Ball you’re giving everyone a miserable time.
A hero like Orisa is in everyone’s range, she is considered the easiest tank for a reason, you might not be a great Orisa (that takes skill too) but it’s hard to be a horrible Orisa.
I do play tank. In ranked, I adapt. If I am put in a Diamond lobby, I usually start Hog and adapt to whatever is needed, often I end up playing Rein as it’s the hero people understand the most in Diamond.
In QP, I won’t go Rein (hate the hero) but I will also adapt. If my 2nd tank is a Zarya, I am not gonna play Dva because even though I’m a masters tank, Dva Zarya is one of worst anti-synergies possible and hard to make work.
it’s not a matter of VIP it’s a matter of you not understanding the game and a matter of respect, IF you as a gold player can play an insane Ball, go for it! I am not in principle going for bad rank = MUST be a bad player. However, I’ve never seen a good Silver, Gold etc. Ball player.
I’ve noticed, low elo players don’t have the humility to learn, and are often very toxic, when I try to say simple things, such as “Hog goes for Hog because rest of team cannot beat Hog 1v1 very well”, or “take space”, I’m always met with condescendence and toxicity.
There should be minimal matchmaking. I am not asking for masters+ tank, I am aware that’s unreasonable, however I’d expect a 2900-3k tank, this is not unreasonable especially given how 1/2 the games enemy team has masters + diamond tank duo.
I think I’d rather never be put in a game than play with a silver/gold Ball/Hog player.
no it’s because I don’t wanna play Reaper in Quickplay and even Reaper might not cut it. My idea of fun is Ashe, I’m reasonably good at her so it’s reasonable to think that I should win most games on her particularly IF they don’t run strong anti-Ashe heroes. Very often it’s not even me asking for specific heroes, it’s literally, my silver Hog cannot land a hook or understand the concept of HAVING to take the Hog 1v1 as that takes pressure off the team. And thinks he can run in to the backline to land the funny hook. That’s extremely disrespectful especially if he misses the hook.
I might not always feel like trying or be willing to put SR at stake. Like you say, QP is a “chill mode”. Are you implicitly encouraging me to hop in a diamond smurf and destroy diamond players? I would play QP but u know, silver tanks who don’t swap off Ball. Contributing to the smurfing problem I guess?
3 heroes that are legit both easy to get value from at almost any SR and good vs nearly every comp. You pretty much always want a Soldier Hanzo or Cassidy in the team. The “sucker picks” are Genji + Widow, or Junkrat + Doomfist.
on a side note, playing with 1 of 2 tanks ALWAYS Hog is not exactly fun either, the game is legit very fun when your tanks run something like Dva + Rein or Winston + Zarya but that’s a side note, like I said I’m a reasonable person and I don’t necessarily want specific heroes, only a lobby where I can play a sniper and not get 4-manned every teamfight cuz of AFK tanks.
Like I said, I’m reasonable, I don’t mind the OCCASIONAL game with a silver tank. I’m willing to make him learn Ball and whatever. But when of 20 Ashe games, in the last 3 days, I won 2, as a masters player in 2800 average lobbies. That’s annoying. It can’t be that every game I’m a care taker for children.
QP is more popular than comp. Its called the “silent majority”. They dont go to forums or watch videos. They just play the game. I see that personally also on the account levels. They dont smurf or play comp. They just have a good time. In the forum I am sure 90% play comp but people who dont go there I am sure its the other way around.
That not an excuse for trolling. If you dont play right you can get reported there. “Its just QP” is a myth that people that are trolls and comp only player trying to manifest but this does not work. Because everyone else play normal. Try out heroes and dont care about synergy. But the goal should always be to play good.
I mean, if my silver Ball is not gonna try, why even exit spawn? Let’s just 6 man emote in spawn while our golden gun Mercy player tells us a funny story. The argument of “it’s QP so why try” is pathetic and unreasonable. I might not try my hardest, I will never ask you to run full meta comp, but some degree of presence and teamwork I expect, such as having not sub 30% hook accuracy, doing damage to shields at least at 50% of the max rate you could have.
I don’t mind rank of players per se. I mind them being functionally AFK. If you are a silver Ball player but can play Ball at diamond+ level, play Ball by all means. I’ve never seen that happen in 6 years of OW tho.
That is just stupid because MMR is not SR. You play vs people with the same MMR. They are in your league. Ever heard of “SR does not matter”? Because it does not matter. MMR fluctuates no matter if win or loss based on performance. SR just if you win or lose. Let that sink in…
if you dont want the casual experience, dont play the casual mode.
its really not. there are no consequences for losing, and thus there is no reward for winning. if you want people to try, you need to give them a reason to.
having any expectations for a mode with with no reason to try is a you issue and only a you issue.
I really don’t get what you’re trying to say here. i never said rank matters. I said that op is complaining about rank in an unranked mode.
That’s just how QP is working out at the moment. You’re getting a pick n’ mix from all ranks, there’s just not a lot of tank players playing QP right now.
Might be worth taking a ‘you do you’ approach to QP. Don’t worry about getting your tanks to ‘play correctly’ you’re not going to fix all of a person’s habits and mistakes in a single game anyway. Might as well just focus on what you’re doing. Either your tanks will learn from the experience… or they won’t.
I know this is annoying you, but there is absolutely nothing you can do about it (short of never playing QP again.)
OW is a team game, the reason people focus so much on teammates is because playing WITH THE team is how you win. It’s generally true that a strong mental gets you far in OW, and there is a tilt factor associated with overly analyzing your team, however you need to be aware of what your teammates are about to do, where they are positioned etc. and that influences YOUR approach to a teamfight. If your Ball never uses Piledrive, because he is silver, and is dead too early in a teamfight, that impacts you a lot. I am fine with him dying (even though that too generally is a mistake), just not dying 5s after the teamfight started without getting a piledrive in (which is the key ability of Ball and the one that gives you the most ult charge).
There are heroes that are less team-reliant. I know if I swap to Cassidy, or Tracer, I can have more impact. Less downtime with reload, more damage, 1 shot potential with flashbang, and the bull**** heroes like Genji or Ball don’t tunnel vision you anymore like when you are Ashe. But I should not EVERY GAME have to swap because nobody can play around Ashe pick a bit. Winning 2 of 20 games as Ashe only because I refuse to swap is ridiculous. Some games, the AFK Ball should be in the enemy team, instead it’s diamond + masters tank nearly every game.
Are you expecting 3500 SR+ tank players to always be readily available for you 24/7 in QP? this game has no where near the population it did in 2016-2017
What’s the point of even making an issue of this considering OW2 closed beta starts this month.
this game has no where near the population it did in 2016-2017