The extra turret perk isnt even an “perk”, its an outright revert. 4 turrets are 120 DPS, and 60% in slow, just like in OW1, but remember in OW1 we had lower health pools.
The major perk, with maybe some small adjustment, could be base kit, with the amount of mobility and powercreep the game has now, with it being tied to her charge level anyways.
In general most of syms perks could be better and more interesting.
I think they are scared of buffing symmetra due to pro play. When she was better she saw a lot of pro play. I don’t think they want her played in pro play for some reason.
Sym is easily the most neglected hero since OW2 release. Lots of people point to her second rework being where it all went downhill but I think it was after Sigma release and double shield. The devs really never allowed her to be good after that.
Nerf the Teleporter then, too much power in it. Pro play is not even 1% of the experience of OW, in GM/top 500 its not that common people play around it either or any other ranks, unless you stack.
Its frustrating majority of her kit is somewhat handicapped cause of pro play TP
I’ve been saying this for years, give them their own patch. There’s literally no good reason not to, and pros have been separate from the Live patch, before.
When she’s in pro play she’s a TP bot, that’s literally it. They nerf the rest of her kit or hold her back because everyone can use her TP, while the vast majority of the playerbase barely uses it outside of like 3 map situations.
Nerf it to what? Clever teamplay involving teleporters and flights of fancy should encouraged, but it seems like the only team based mobility that’s allowed is running fast?
they literally hate her lol. i remember a specific point in ow1 when double shield was running amok. they buffed and nerfed her literally within a week because she was effectively countering double shield comps.
You should have seen this QP Hollywood game I was in last night. 3 stack with a Sym putting Bastion and Hog into our backline + flanking Kiri. I finished that game with 70%+ accuracies on Ana but they played better as a team. We lost hard.
She is REALLY good with a team that utilizes her properly. At least my high QP WR on Sym was earned solo. Gd
The team being able to use her TP is purely a holdover from when it used to be a support ult. Now it’s holding the rest of her kit back from being useful just to nerf pros. I don’t know why they won’t let it go.
I’ll never forget this. Back in OW1 we were on Hanamura Defence and I mentioned I will TP over the gap to get to 1st faster to set up. Someone literally said they didn’t have interact bound and that they never will. It was that exact moment my heart fell and I realized team TP if you don’t have a 6-stack will never be something that is truly useful.
Sym also has one of the highest winrates because she’s usually picked on (defence) maps that favour her. She’s not like Ashe or Soj where you play her all game (for most people).
Fully agree, and me neither. Probably something to do with low MMRs and console in terms of having issues buffing her (if they take away team TP). But to me, I can’t truly say I care much about that reason. Sym has been not-good (and people have been fine with it) for so, so, so long. I miss projected Shiled (+Gen), and her lockon.
Everything but Beam extension could be basekit.
Nerf it like Sombra stealth. Make it more audible and easy to notice, increase animation time
Maybe add max HP and/or timer decrease for each successful TP on top of that in either direction
How people on the forum were chanting… oh, right, make it more interactable.
The problem is Sombra’s not interactable because she throws her TC in the air and literally vanishes. Tele would be countered by just being passably aware, but even if that’s not the cause, they could just make it loud.
I don’t understand how TF2 teleporters are considered fair with infinite range and uptime, but Sym’s isn’t considered fair. I know the two games are different, but Overwatch is newer; you’d think Syms would be better than the TF2 one because they could build on what TF2 got right.
…and another hundred of reasons why Sombra isn’t fair and literally everybody else is. Instead of, well, admitting plain fact that Symmetra’s TP is way too easy to use with coordinated teams and has next to no limits, prodiving the other team no ways to react to it
Turret CD is just plain dumb.
M1 Beam should either always be longer or that perk should be part of the base kit.
Her perks should straight up involve something new, like adding a burn to a target when hit with a fully charged orb or something.
You shouldn’t even begin to discuss Sombra if you won’t even hear why people dislike her. Her literally vanishing mid air is the point of contention, and chucking on some disingenuous pile of “he thinks she’s unfair while everyone else is fair” is ridiculous. You do know I literally think all of the characters with mobility are poorly designed to a degree, right? No, you don’t, and you wouldn’t know because you didn’t even try to find that out.
As for Sym, I don’t particularly care that TP is “too easy to use”. We should encourage more teamplay abilities instead of nerfing them and going “Just play near each other and don’t actually play as a team”
Boy, is this game mishandled.
Your behavior is pretty much the reason why no Sombras want to hear anything what people like you dislike about her
I. Just. Don’t. Care. Literally. This thread is not about Sombra, and I only brought her for a moment just to showcase the double standarts applied for Sombra and non-Sombra characters in this game
Just look at you, defending Symmetra like a zealot if anybody suddenly points out her problematic parts. Totally non-biased behavior, right?
Now, if we return to topic, Symmetra’s TP is quite an issue right now. Or rather it would be if Symmetra was any viable in current meta. It’s a powerful skill, which has no place in current meta sadly… or happily. And if its issues won’t be addressed properly, as soon as Symmetra becomes viable, it’ll break the game. And for my own amusement TP shares the same very issues with Sombra’s stealth - it provides little to no time to react to it to the opposing team. There should be a power trade-off if you want Symmetra to become part of the game again
Right now she’s way too boring and annoying to play against like… well… like you-know-who. And the best part - you can’t deny it. Because these arguments were qualified as valid in any Sombra-related topic
They need to add a major perk to add photon shield to weapon swap or replace the turrets with it. She wouldn’t even need the beam range if she had the shield.
A pretty good perk symm could have is that she should be removed from the game to end the suffering 
I find it hilarious that Sym players were sympathized with once.
Now so many DPS heroes are so weak in comparison to the regular offenders that the idea of any other hero getting a buff over others is taboo.
“I brought up Sombra, but I don’t want to discuss Sombra. We should only talk about her for as long as I want to talk about her”.
Well, no, it doesn’t work like that. You’re talking to a person. You bring something up, and we should get to discuss that. I find your behavior unnecessarily combative and you type like you’re just inherently offended all the time. I doubt you have anything but rude and biased ideas in your head, so personally, I don’t value your opinions on the topic of balance.
But that’s not true because Sombra and Sym are two different character with two different things that need to be considered. That’s what I’m trying to tell you, but when I do you go
And then you ignore the point, and then you go on about how correct you are and how there’s a “double standardts” or something its pitiful.
I get that you’re upset that your pet character is constantly banned and mocked, and honestly you deserve it. I’m happy that upsets you. Maybe learn to have a conversation before you conversate? IDK, its not really my problem anymore. I didn’t even bother reading your wall of text after I got past the “I don’t care, we’re not talking about Sombra, but let me tell you about how I’m correct about Sombra” part. I don’t have to deal with that nonsense, so I won’t.