Tracer seems to be suffering in almost all ranks

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She has under a 50% average win rate in all ranks EXCEPT, masters and grand masters.
Diamond has a 50% win rate. Masters has a 51%.
One of the highest skill cap heroes is weak in over 90% of games, while Bridgett is sitting at minimum 55% winrate at all ranks.

Why in the hell is the lowest skill cap character ALWAYS more viable than one of the highest skill cap characters?

What we need.
We dont need to nerf brig. We to make sure the dps can actually kill again.

  1. Reduce tracers spread by 25%-30% Keep her out of range of shield bash.
  2. Fix shadow step for reaper. It should be instant, not cast time.
  3. Replace mcree’s ult entirely.

A healer should not counter damage ever. It should have ways to deter and defend it’self but NOT COUNTER.

Brig currently counters all dps except widow, pharah and some times junkrat.
Hell she counters every hero except those three.

Dive was hell but not as much as not being able to play 90% of the roster.

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I feel like that has more to do with the shear amount of healing that is in the game now than anything else. The amount of heals has pushed things to where only burst DPS has become viable now (Doomfist, Widowmaker, Hanzo, etc) while more substained DPS (Soldier, Tracer, etc) are lacking.

Buffing Tracer probably is not the best course of action to this.

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As a Tracer main, I definitely wouldn’t suggest buffing her.
Brig needs a rework that makes her a high skill floor hero

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I think they need to de-nerf her ult, that or turn it into another ability

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I think she’s fine presently

I feel like they could at least make the falloff less severe because falloff damage with 400 damage vs 300 damage is a lot more noticeable.

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Tracer has never been good in anything but the upper tiers… She does not need a buff just because she’s a high skill floor hero.

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as much as i want tracer to be buffed my self

i refuse the idea, i dont want her to be buffed only to be nerfed again later and make it worse

maybe buff pulse bomb so it actually can kill 200 HP if they are in range (reduce damage fall off) and thats it

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Tracer is still good, they just switched to Doomfist as the go-to dps.

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Ok, lets talk how win rates work. Because it doesn’t tell you what you think it tells you.

Lets take a bunch of Tracer mains (since we are talking about Tracer).

they play Tracer, and get to the rank they are going to get to.

At this point, they are going to win roughly 50% of the games, because their SR will be stable. once you get this, everything else follows.

cool… This is the same for all heroes.

so, how do we get different win rates?

win rates is the measurement of how easy a hero is to play by their non mains.

because, sometimes a non tracer main will try to run a tracer. at that point, they are likely to lose (since, Tracer has a lot of specialized mechanics)

Brigitte is EASY to pick up… a Tracer main picking up for a couple of games isn’t likely to do as badly. So, Brigittes win rate is expected to be higher.

However, that doesn’t say ANYTHING about the skill cap of the heroes, nor, how UP or OP they are.

since, if they were UP, then the SR people get before they reach their 50% mark is lower…

since, if they were OP, then the SR people get before they reach their 50% mark is higher…

ok?

So how do tell how OP / UP a hero is - their pick rates. If there is a large large pick rate at high ranks, then 2 things are happening.

Firstly, you can play that hero in high ranks, which is more discriminating for power.

Secondly there is a high proportion of people who have gotten to their 50% win rate in the high ranks.

So… win rate != power, but pick rate is a good proxy.

Tracers pick rate at high ranks isn’t low, so she is in a good place.

Why?

A healer shouldn’t counter much of the DPS cast, but it is fine for them to counter a small number of them.

Supports should switch when they are being countered, and Tracer counters all except one of them.

Mobility heroes get to pick their fights, they don’t have a right to play the game uncountered. There is no rule which says Tracer should be good against every single team composition.

You get countered, you switch, same as everyone else.

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Tracer has beem Meta since the game released. No buffs

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It just feels like awkward with the rest of her kit now to me at least… I can deal more damage with a clip and it not feel so risky.

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What I wished they did was make it so it wasn’t permanent. I feel like she wouldn’t be so hard to deal with the armor she gives didn’t stay on everyone. Lucio sound barrier and Doomfist shields decay, so why doesn’t Brigitte’s armor decay.

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Why weren’t you complaining about Torbjorn’s armor?

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There isn’t that much healing in the game, not compared to DPS. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; every healer (bar Ana) healing one target without abilities is outdamaged by any two DPS. Ana Mercy and Moira without their abilities are outdamaged by any two DPS. Any healer using their abilities to heal are still outdamaged by any DPS (Bar trans, as it’s an ultimate). Burst damage has become easier to land, but it’s not like healing has come close to matching the level of DPS output in the game, probably not since Ana’s release when Anti-nade doubled healing output

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This is a simple question that has a simple answer.

Tracer- high skill hero.
Brigette-Low Skill hero.

High skill hero does good at high ranks bad at low.

Low skill does good at all cause low skill

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But Brigitte does well in all ranks…

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As someone who plays tracer quite a bit, all id want for her is for bomb to be 310 dmg, so it still kills a 200hp hero with full brig armor, and make pulse bomb falloff less severe from the epicenter. Im fine with it not hitting tanks as hard, but its annoying to have non tank heroes live through a stick without using a defensive ability, or people be almost standing on the bomb and still live.

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Tracer has never been meta at most ranks, and was only really meta at high ranks during dive, so part of season 4 till the beginning of season 10.

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Brig is OP not because she counters Tracer/Genji/whatever… but because she can counter tanks in a way that stops them from making space, even takes it away and that means dps have a harder time too.’

They need to lower her stun duration. Forreal. And don’t let her stun through Reins shield.

I also think it’s really tacky that her bash cancels out so many ultimates. Not just stuns them for part of it, that’s fine, but it just ends them…

&& the whole “lose your ult completely if you die after throwing it” change is still awful. Especially for Mei and Tracer.

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