Lol I play games for fun. Uninterested in everything outside of gaming but thanks? You have fun?
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I would call it stealing if hidden algorithms are making much of my time futile. Any manipulations should be transparent before I decide to participate. If the matchmaking was actually guilty as charged, how many would invest hours in this game.
Agree with the personal responsibility thing but like with Facebook / social media, we should be made aware of the hidden manipulations to our psyche before deciding to spend time there.
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We all have better things to do, than being systematically discriminated against and gaslit with algorithmic handicapping, a.k.a. “ROLE QUEUE”, and the associated with it “INADEQUATE DPS QUEUE TIMES” which I put in quotations because why not. The competitive is a travesty. I quit cold turkey because of the corrupt institution of ROLE QUEUE
When I quit Overwatch over some time ago (Haven’t played for 2 days), I began investing my time and energy in vastly better things - I’m on my way to obtain Master rank in Apex Legends. In that time I have continued my duty in financial institution, had COVID, raising kids, and obtained new graphic card. I didn’t invent anything yet though
Imagine, what can you achieve when you quit Overwatch? How much have your skills been wasted? Any idiot can obtain Diamond rank in Apex
What untold potential and life time is this false, dishonorable and farcical “ROLE QUEUE” stealing from you?
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don’t we all 
filling your 
with the right stuff is a lot harder than actually performing when it comes to lots of nonphysical hobbies. Some people get it fast but I don’t think most do lol.
While it’s a prereq, I don’t see why a steep learning curve or a lack of (useful) problem solving is reason to call a task hard. If someone disagrees with that context, then cool, then it’s hard. But the REAL difficulty is teaching people how to diagnose and problem solve. Even moreso without working closely with them. From there it’s usually easy.
Lotta people just get mad give up and say no fair. They feel entitled to the end result and then take it out on others, blame the sun the stars and the moon, 
It’s not OW specific, not even multiplayer specific. One size fits all advice just sucks with this game, sort of like “Just do this ONE opening to win all your chess games!!!”
Nah, get a chess tutor bro, or suck it up and grind it out. Faster to find someone to work with you. Easier to just give up and be a causal. Alternatively, get mad, dismiss it all as empty “git gud.” All are viable options.
OPs reasoning seems legit for wanting to change the matchmaker, but the noobz who get mad and then blame the matchmaker for them sucking definitely just suck. 
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When did ranks ever make any sense in a rigged game?
Agree. The fanboi rigging deniers could really be more productive if they put the game down for a minute. It only takes a few minutes of reading per day to improve your iq to a functional level where you can think critically, learn how patents work, and provide math or any evidence at all that rigging isn’t in the game.
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I guess our opinion will differ there, no matter what. I don’t have much of a problem with under the hood code/algorithms. I also don’t take comp very seriously, since the matchmaker has to throw together 12 “”""""“random”""""""" people. It’s bound to venture into clownfest territory from time to time, no matter how tight the matchmaker is.
So, that’s what I think when I q for comp: “Me and 11 “””""“random”""""" people are gonna be thrown together… how the f’s this gonna go!?"
That doesn’t excuse a developer to not better their matchmaker tho, but I just feel like it’s worked good enough for me.
Agree on the social media thing tho, but that’s another beast (using your personal information to sell you sh1t, to “”"“guide”""" you towards things that’ll keep you on their site, and possibly censor opinions that doesn’t jive with virtue signaler’s from Silicon Valley)
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BECAUSE UNLESS THE SAMPLES ARE 100% RANDOM THEN THE OUTCOME IS BIASED.
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I have edited the original post to make my point more clear.
How do you know they weren’t 100% random? And in what sort of environment would you find a totally random sampling?
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You’re confused. Taking personal responsibility and criticizing the matchmaker are not mutually exclusive.
And if Overwatch is manipulating people’s wins and losses in such a way that it benefits Blizzard and hurts players and they are not forthcoming about that manipulation, then they are absolutely hurting, manipulating, and deceiving players.
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Cuthbert, nice. This games ranked is utterly garbage. Not because of the game though, we all know why. There’s a toxic core component
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Hmmm, it’s possible. I guess I read this the wrong way:
I thought of it as wasting time on a vidya game instead of developing other skills or relationships etc.
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Handicapping someone in general is a bad idea it slows their progress and where they actually need to be skill rating wise just for more “play time” for blizzard/overwatch they are trading one thing for another imo.
i stopped playing and only do events now when i see a skin I like because I’m working on a business degree and boy do I MISS ow >_> jkjk
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The forums are not the game, they’re a meta-conversation about the game, and meta-conversations have their own usefulness beyond the subject matter (exercising critical thinking, sharpening writing chops, identifying bad arguments, etc). I don’t play the game much anymore but I still find participating here useful for the reasons listed. Besides Cuthbert is trying to enact change and bring attention to the issue. And objectively he’s brought more attention to this issue than anyone else.
This is hyperbole. I’m not sure if it’s said in jest, or if you’re serious, but I see no indication that the game has hurt him badly. What I do see is that he feels this game is robbing people of their time, energy, and well-being which is nefarious and vampiric.
Again, I think you misunderstand what’s happening here.
Obviously you cannot speak for others – no one made you their spokesperson, and it’s really not your place to determine what he should and shouldn’t be doing.
Again, I think you’re off-based here. Posting doesn’t take up much time (certainly not compared to playing the game), and maybe he’d actually like to play a version of Overwatch without all the unsavory bull****. Bringing attention to the issue is one of the surest ways to bring about that outcome.
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But it isn’t. It’s like going to a strength measuring device and calling it rigged because you didn’t get a high enough number when the real answer is ‘train to get stronger’. That’s what ‘git gud’ is. People just refuse to accept that they aren’t as good as they think they are. Ranking is not a leveling system. You don’t get higher just by playing. You need to get better and not just that but also get better faster than other players, because the ranks are not static. You don’t get 2500 SR by being x good. Ranks are relative and keep changing as the playerbase overall gets better. Someone at 2500 SR today is better than someone at 2500 3 years ago but they aren’t any better when compared to other players than the one with same SR 3 years ago.
Reality is that good players will climb until they reach their real position among the players.
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No, it’s not like that. Weights are what they are, and you’re either strong enough to lift them or you aren’t. In this context there is a 3rd party who has some say in how skill inflation is managed and how players are brought together; as such changes to the algorithm will determine how hard players have to fight, and how quickly they can climb. Moreover, whether that process is good, fair, and competitive is its own conversation. “Git gud” is a non-thinking, reflexive answer to a question not being asked, and it assumes that nothing substantive is wrong with matchmaking. But that’s not everyone’s assumption.
These are all truisms, but they’re not solutions. Let’s cut to the chase, are you saying there’s no issues with matchmaking, or that a player never loses matches because of matchmaking?
How are you defining “good players” here?
By taking a group of Overwatch players from the Overwatch client, putting them in a list and using a random number generator to select the xth person down the list. And you’d have to ask thousands.
Nobody except Blizzard has the means to ask and find out unfortunately.
But blizzard shouldn’t ask the playerbase about these things, we are clueless. It is like asking the public about important political decisions like Brexit. Nobody focuses on the real issues and the outcome is decided by clueless people who vote based on minimal knowledge. This is why we elect representatives. ANd in Blizzard case, why they are the devs and we are not.
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I’d rather continue yelling at clouds and smudges as I spend hours trying to create set bombs. Also I’m addicted. Getting a bomb into a window or perfectly perched on a spire? Eating a grav? Better than drugs, I’m hooked to the dopamine spike from those things.
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This has nothing to do with anything, really, but I’ve been away from nicotine for 48hrs now, and the withdrawals has been a son-of-a…
Like, I’ve stuffed my face with 24 eggs, two packs of bacon, 300grams of cheese ballz, a stupid amount of menthol gums and dem “sore throat candies”, whatever they’re called in not-Swedish. Oh, and 500grams of ice-cream, and probably some other stupid stuff. A whole bunch of coffee and energy drinks aswell. So, thats’s what I’ve been doing the last 12 hours.
Pro-tip: Never put snus under yo’ lip, kids; it’s hell to quit it. I guess it’s a good thing that it’s banned(?) in most countries, due to the high levels of nicotine (compared to cigarettes).
Anyways, I just want a pat on the back and some encouraging words from some peeps, cuz I’m sweating and hyperventilating D;
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I left Overwatch and another RPG a few weeks ago.
I realised that I had a gaming addiction and that it was having a very negative impact on me in real life.
I have a dog to look after now and I want him to have a good life.
I would recommend you Google “Computer Gaming Addicts Anonymous” and read its content and watch a 60 Minutes episode on gaming addiction.
If you’re a hard core gamer and reading this then I’d highly recommend mastering another game that isn’t developed for casual gamers like Overwatch (emphasis added).
Overwatch is one of the most tilting games I’ve ever played. Can you imagine having a stadium of people playing Overwatch at the same time? Think about all of the cursing that would be going on.
Remember that sometimes the way to win a game is to not play…
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