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Nuff said.
Widow on my team + No Widow on the enemy team = Free roll.
Widow on both teams = gamestate freezes until one of them dies.
The contrast is PALPABLE
Can’t believe they buffed her health to 225 lmao, how many more matches are you going to allow Widow to ruin before she’s finally reworked away from her no cost no cooldown braindead easy to abuse one-shot?
I can’t believe they buffed widow and left sombra as is.
As a Sombra player, I am not surprised whatsoever they shafted Sombra. I’m more surprised that they actually buffed Widow to 225 HP as if she needed it.
This isn’t up for debate. Widow objectively has WAY more open space in 5v5, therefore she will be much stronger. A 5v5 tank diving widow also comes at the cost of leaving their entire team to be run over by the opposing tank. In 6v6 you can dive widow and hold the frontline.
Widow has always been unhealthy for the game, I’ll give you that. But she’s significantly more broken in 5v5.
yep, I agree. You can’t just have the tank go dive the Widow without leaving other things unchecked. She’s still broken, but moreso in 5v5.
sorry but this game is not what you think it is.
Both Widows had relativity low impact.
The reason you got through the first parts of the map so easily was your Doomfist.
The match grinded to a halt when the enemy started to Pick Roadhog to counter your doomfist.
Your doomfist caused havok in the enemy backline diverting the attention of the players and allow your team to overroll the distracted enemies.
You really should stop focusing on Widow and using her as a scapegoat and actually start to truly analyse the game.
Stop coping when you’re so bad you can’t make the most busted dps in the game work in the game’s current state.
My analysis says that the supports and i literally had to huddle for warmth behind that tower multiple times (this was havana 3rd btw for people who didnt watch the replay) and were unable to peek the tanks and support them because peeking out would mean certain death until our widow dealt with theirs. That’s why the tanks were having trouble, because they were ignoring the problem hero that kept half of our team locked in place so they couldn’t be supported. If the tanks dealt with the widow instead of going into narnia not realizing their supports and 1 of their dps were trapped behind cover we would’ve won that last point way faster. and the hog swap wouldn’t’ve been nearly as impactful.
Your “analysis” is very short-sighted and surface-level and from you I wouldn’t expect anything less.
the enemy tank swap three times (Mauga>Ball>Sigma>Hog) and subsequently loosing in the ult Fight. And Mauga, Ball, Sigma are all not great against Doom.
You team lost fights while the enemy Widow was dead and killed by your Widow.
it’s not even about her health, it’s about the fact it takes 0.5 seconds for her to oneshot someone across the battlefield, to the point where a good player doesn’t even need to think of his positioning or target priority, just shoot whatever you just looked at, i seen many times my dps actually get close to widow only to get headshotted a second later, so now it’s not even 100% chance to eliminate her if you got close, and asking your tank to switch to winton and jump her is a big problem
she needs around 0,75 sec to charge enough for a 250 hp kill.
If she shot a bullet, she has 0,5sec recovery before the next shot is chagred, so atleast 1,25 sec for the next shot/kill.
And it just makes it so she can wipe your team in less than 10 seconds. I was playing overwatch for a very long time and widow was the problem even in OW1, now she is even more dangerous because it takes more time for you to kill her and still takes no time for her to kill you (0.75 sec for charge is the same thing as a sombra disscusion about not being able to even react to her hacking you because it takes zero time, tho hack doesn’t instakill you)
not really. for the most time of overwatch widow was 200hp and now she is 200hp again, while dmg overall got higher and hitboxes got bigger.
The problem is that healing is so high and to forgiving which makes it difficult to kill anything in general.
which never happen outside of an excel spreadsheet
You are not really right because i can recall multiple times i played, for example, a push game and in the middle of the match i literally see how widow wipes my entire team (except me, being busy dealing with enemy tank) in less then 10 seconds, i just see how my supports and dps were evaporated and i am left alone to fight the whole team, and heres the thing: if i dived to the enemy widow to kill her, the enemy tank would wreck my team anyway
You are only Diamond 5 while abusing the most broken heroes in the game. I placed Plat 5 playing only Sym and I almost never touch comp. Try again buddy. Additionally I had to work through all of Gold to get there through all of the terribad teammates because of the rank bug a few seasons back where everyone got placed way lower than they should’ve been but i’ll bet your comp journey has been pretty much a free ride because you’re carried by the brainless hard meta heroes you play.
Widow, Pharah and Ashe certainly don’t take nearly as much skill to succeed with as you seem to believe they do, and given how much you’ve played them (esp. Widow) you should know that.
Why don’t you play some heroes that actually take skill to do well with and aren’t just free win buttons for a season and get back to me when you drop to Bronze 5.
Because they went in BEFORE the enemy widow was dead. If they had waited until our Widow got the kill or (god forbid) dove the Widow then, again, the counterpicking wouldn’t’ve been nearly as impactful.
Also it’s kinda funny how when you start losing the argument your grammar and spelling start to go as you lose your composure, how adorable!
Yeah, naw. Window is uber broken generally, especially vs tanks now. But… this is where you Winstons and Balls and other uncrittables add value.
She’s broken in both. But at least in 6v6 my other tank can do somethin about her… or HELP me buy time to gain value before she must be dealt with.
She needs a creative nerf that doesn’t ruin her player fantasy but DOES make selecting her incorporate a meaningful risk that can be capitalized on by other dps hero’s.
What if Ashe/mei/torb could one shot her in the head?
Maybe a special “bonus headshot multiplier” could apply ONLY to widow when she gets headshot (…. Hell she had a bonus multiplier compared to every other hero…)
Or you could just do the simple and obvious solution and remove her one-shot outside of her ult, increase her ultimate cost, and buff her numbers a bit a la this rework :
This rework would also give her an actually effective mechanical downside to combat outside of her effective range, something literally every other hero has had since day 1.
have you ever considered, that there are more languages on this planet and many do not have english as their first language.
the widow was the first to die and usually the focus of both was the other widow.
do you want a medal or something?
spoken like someone you does not play them. But I guess thats true for most since “my her takes skill, your dont”
jokes on you, i did not play during S13 at all and the last time I played comp seriously was in S5 (where she was at her weakest in OW2) and after that I did not touch the game at all for 10 month.
So, no. I do not abuse a hard meta hero since I do not even play comp anymore or the game regularly.
Its also funny that you call Widow a Meta hero, when meta is completely irrelevant outside of Masters and GM. Shows your understanding of the game.
How it it possible that the alleged meta hero is just TOP 7 DPS in pickrate behind Reaper and Junkrat in Gold? Even in Diamond thats the case.
People watch T500 Tier/Metalists and think this would apply to their rank, even if the creators said, its just for the top players. funny.
You seemed to have perfectly servicable grammar when you were confident in your answers, but when you lose your footing you also lose your spelling. Just something of note.
Please read, don’t tell me your reading skills get worse the more shaky your argument becomes as well…
I mentioned that to point out the clear imbalance of effort between playing one of the worst heroes in the game currently (sym) well enough to escape Gold elo hell even with the very limited comp playtime I have vs playing easy meta heroes and only managing to scrape the bottom of Diamond. Worst case scenario for me we’re both equally good at the game.
Again, you seem to lack the ability to understand subtlety for some reason, I don’t need to explain what I say to most other forumers (well, most other forumers that aren’t stupid enough to defend Widow that is, funny how that correlates huh, really makes you think…)
I’ve played enough of those 3 to know that they are all very strong heroes that get a lot of value for not a lot of effort (Widow + Ashe especially) and gatekeep other heroes from being able to play the game as a consequence of their kits being the way they are for basically free (Widow, Ashe, Pharah). You having over 200 hours of playtime on Widow and not realizing how much she warps the game tells me 1 of 2 things.
or
Seems pretty lose-lose for you NGL.
The game should be balanced around Masters/GM because that’s where heroes are played as close to optimally as humanly possible. It would be incredibly short-sighted to balance around Gold…
…although of course you’re unaware of this basic logic.
Ah yes, because clearly it’s impossible that I came to this conclusion on my own independently of any outside influences and clearly I must be a stupid sheep for sharing the opinion of other high-ranked players that have played the game for a long time on many different heroes in many different roles because I definitely just regurgitate what they say without any logic or reasoning behind it and without presenting any evidence of the boatloads of problems Widow has caused over the years… clearly. Lmao. Are you even making an effort to disprove me? Because right now, it seems like all you’re doing is trying to amuse me.