This is why we dont need any sym buffs

[Zephrin-11143]

1st off the comparison provided before directly shows you how her balance is post-nerfs relative to others in the state of the game.

@FlankSinatra-2631

I asked if the buff or nerfs are objectively buff or needs relative to the rest of the cast.

For this, it’s important to know her position in these parameters and their net impact on winning before and after the nerf.

E.g. adding 100hp to Pharah looks like an objective buff in isolation but if they buffed hitscan damage 400% then it would clearly be a net nerf.

• orbs pretty much unchanged, but as shown before, they’re trash numerically to start with

  • legit, having the cons of a sniper weapon in having sniper-tier low firerate which demands more precision per shot as there’s less shots to make in a period of time, yet it physically cannot be precise in most ranges as it’s simply so slow that how the enemy reacts is often more important than the sym’s aim in whether the orb lands
  • and heck their damage numbers aren’t even good either,
    • as sustain damage it’s trash as their dps of 120/(1s chargeup + 0.25s wind down) = 96dps < bodyshotting mercy pistol of 100dps let alone comparing with other projectile dps weapon fires.
    • as a burst weapon fire, well if it can’t reasonably be aimed in most ranges, what makes you think it can burst well?

• preeeetty sure the nerfs on turret slow, slow stack “bug fix”, turret dps, wall hp and wall duration simply are net nerfs no matter how you look at it from any perspective whether relative to anyone or not. like there’s no way you can look at those straight number decreases and then look at changes of another hero and say that sym ended up better.

  • heck wall became more breakable to bap ult, bastion sentry and hog ult
  • rein walks out of turrets easier esp after he got speed buffed while holding shield

• infinite tp nerf:

@Zephrin-11143

reminder that shield nerfs + static tank nerfs happened —> teams move around more now —> where tp needs to be and what it’s for changes more frequently —> infinite duration in 1 static spot means nothing.

and this is only going to get worse in OW2 with 1 less tank, dps mobility crept, tanks mobility crept with being more brawly.

again, what are the uses for team tps rn? literally 1-way trips (or rarely, there and back trips) to skip chokes and/or claiming high ground. infinite duration means nothing for those.

so when you take the above into account + the fact that current tp use cases are legit a subset of what it was used for before the infinite tp nerf, plus the objective fact that tp cast frequency and effective uptime all plummeted because of the cd mechanic it gave tp (see text art below on visualisation of how), clearly this is just worse at getting hero uptime no matter which hero you’re looking relatively from (unless you’re looking at this from the enemy perspective) all her tools to get uptime (tp and relying on team to escort her in and out of effective range) all got nerfed.

@Zephrin-11143

Most other abilities and sym’s old 3.0 finite tp:

timeline of cd:            |-------------------------------|
timeline of getting value: |+++++++++++| ability down time |

Sym’s current infinite tp:

timeline of cd:                        |-------------------------------|
timeline of getting value: |+++++++++++|       ability down time       |

so yes, she is bad relative to the cast. she’s terrible at getting uptime relative to the rest of the cast, and even despite that she still ended up getting nerfed to being worse. even when taking into account what’s happening with balance for other heroes she is still worse than before. Yet poytheon in his “infinite wisdom” believes that is “fine” and “more viable than before”.