This is a Problem

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A sniper type hero should not be able to get even close to 10,000 damage. Hanzo can easily do more than that and that picture shows how big a problem it actually is. Is Hanzo ever going to be put back as a sniper?

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wow must admit thats bad… but then again, new storm arrow is op if used right xD

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To be fair that was a 20+ minute match. Having arbitrary limits like your 10,000 (which is kinda low for some supports even in matches like this one) is nothing but arbitrary.

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Agreed on that, also it doesn’t take into the account of what heroes were played during the course of the match, switching characters mid games which also affects the numbers as well.

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OP’s image.

Yikes. Scary :fearful:

That game was 21 minutes, and Hanzo was probably the only damage dealing DPS on the team. I’d be surprised if Sombra/Mei, outside of hacking/freezing, dealt any kind of damage. Rein shouldn’t have damage as a shield tank. Or at least it should be less than DPS. What were the missing heroes?

hanzo is probably op but this isn’t a good way to convince people

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Real problem is people using images thinking it proves their point when it actually doesnt lol

33% team damage.
that’s 1/3rd of the team’s total damage done by a sniper.
Tbh, it’s not even rare to see Hanzo with this card anymore.

But is this a surprise to anyone, really?
Hanzo is on widow’s level as a sniper, but he’s also better at close/mid range than McCree.

A good hanzo got that card anyway.

Considering incredibly long matches, the abilitity to burst damage really well, and the fact we don’t know about your team or their team, it isn’t hard to imagine.

I mean, you guys ran a D.Va. That’s 750 damage for Hanzo on one hero, more if she’s getting healed. Is it possible you were feeding him ult charge and whatnot?

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Hanzo has always had that kind of damage. Pre-rework 30% wasn’t really all that new.

I mean sure, dislike him all you want and say he shouldn’t do this or that. It wouldn’t matter if he was nerfed to the ground and given a pool noodle as a weapon; most of the playerbase will still find something wrong with him. :woman_shrugging:t2:

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For a more statistical look at thing, here’s the average breakdown of damage.

https://puu.sh/AGegx/e20c40a0c3.png

Unsurprisingly, Bastion is top dog. However, Hanzo isn’t far behind and is even ahead of explosive heroes like Junkrat and Pharah who should normally deal tons more damage than Snipers.

Widowmaker for reference, is actually below Zenyatta in terms of average damage done.

BUT in playing the devils advocate, how much of that is ult damage? Hanzo doing 20k on average is extremely high, but if he’s constantly Grav Dragon womboing through a Dragonstrike, that’s a whole lot of damage at 300 DPS per target for 3.5 seconds, contributing far more to his total damage than OHK’s normally would.

In either case, Hanzo is overtuned, but I think Blizzard are waiting to see what Symmetra does before they touch Snipers.

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Does this mean Widow can easily do over 10,000 damage in a 20 minute match?

They were only on Hanzo

26,228 damage done by a Hanzo isn’t a good way to convince people he’s OP? I rarely see actual DPS get over 20,000 in games like those

Did you even look at the image? I think it proves my point pretty well

Which part about that makes 26,228 damage done by a sniper class hero acceptable?

Think about Widow, she is nowhere close to as bad as Hanzo because she’s not mobile, has tunnel vision when she’s sniping, and has a pellet gun for when she gets caught and needs to distract before running. Hanzo has none of those, is extremely mobile, and an ability that instantly melts anyone. He even has faster movement than Widow, and only needs to use 1 ability to gain some distance every 4 seconds. When most of the playerbase is complaining about the same things from the same hero(es), that is a major problem and needs fixed. If only a few people were complaining every so often about stuff, that wouldn’t really mean there’s a giant problem

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Honestly, it means their Hanzo was good and you fed right into him. It means he was landing head shots and body shots on everyone, and you tried to heal the damage letting him deal more

He’s also responsible for only 33% of team damage, the other red card was a mercy for healing. It looks like a rout but the result of a team effort.

uh yes, I would assume so considering accross all ranks the average damage per 10 minutes on widow is 10k >_> I would hope over a 20 mintue game widow could do around twice that

no it isnt this means they were a great hanzo they were doing damage and getting picks over a long game it doesnt say anything about his team damage contributed considering thats about how much you should see from a dps somewhere around 25-30% of the damage contributed

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PS Props to your Dva for objective time but you had a reinhardt for that and chasing down and killing hanzo is the dva’s job.

Explain to me how tanks don’t feed Hanzo currently and why a sniper should be able to land so many body and head shots to do 26,228 damage in a single game. Why would we not try to get healed after being shot? That seems a little not smart

I only ever see Widow get cards for accuracy. Never damage. I don’t think it takes a team effort for a Hanzo to get stupidly high damage in a game

The rare good Widows, maybe. But an average Widow struggles to even hit headshots over and over and constantly is bodying people until she dies or the rest of her team gets there. I’d be surprised if any Widow could consistently get over 10,000 damage in an average game

25-30% over 20,000 is rare. A normal DPS should be getting those high numbers, not a sniper. If a sniper is getting 25-30% of a team’s damage, there’s a problem you’re missing

I was busy trying not to get frozen by the Mei and saving dm for when Zarya got grav. Also, Hanzo beats any tank and I would have been yelled at for feeding

I was in a squad with a widow last night whom regularly got 15-20k damage. This ain’t just a hanzo thing

Not to mention gravstrike is a HUGE source of damage, if you get the whole team it can net 2-3k damage per