This game is just so dumb

It is so uninspiring to lose games because I dont get healed, my ana nanos moira instead of a tank or dps

My tanks playing winston and playing him like reinhert, so I cant engage as tracer winning more games than losing but so uninspiring individual preformance means almost nothing in this game, in other games if you make some huge play or play cracked the whole game you can win in this game it doesnt matter.

Doing good they just switch to all your counters or you have a bottleneck on your team.

I know it isnt me, and dont blame your team before those comments I have another account which is about 500 elo higher with 70% winrate so it is 100% not me.

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That’s why it’s called a ā€œteam gameā€ and not a ā€œsolo gameā€. You must rely on your team. Sometimes your team won’t work together so well. It happens.

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Thats my point how can you ever be a good player if you have almost 0 impact outside of your team it lowers skill.
In this game if Master player plays in a Silver lobby he can still lose because bad heals or trash tanks

But in valorant or CS if an Immortal 3 player plays in a Silver lobby that game has already been won it almost doesnt matter how good the rest of his team is

It makes it absolutely grueling to rank up in this game because you will be on about 60-70% winrate even if you are some of the best players in the game playing in lower ranks.

Welcome to Overwatch: Force Team Dependency and no individual impact especially playing certain DPS.

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Sometimes he says :unamused:

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Your team being horrible has little to no impact on you practicing your basic skills and improving your reaction and game knowledge.

So… go play valorant if that’s what you want?

Why are you expecting what valorant is like when you clicked on Overwatch?

It does, but that’s part of overwatch, you cannot ā€œAceā€ here. You do your job AND your team does theirs or you lose. It’s part of what makes the game different.

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Which is why those games are crap if you’re looking for a team game.

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By what metric last time I checked valorant beats overwatch in all metrics

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Because I dont want valorant are you not allowed to say anything or its just go play a different game. Im asking for more individual impact.
Im sure you also dont mind the game being run by hitscans and half the cast being unviable but just go play another game I guess.

we’re getting this with OW2 pretty much. Less teammates, more individual impact. What I’m saying though is if you’re using an example of a game that does what you want, go play that game maybe instead of asking for this other game that isn’t that game and has a heavy team dependence to turn (even partially) into that game.

There’s also Deathmatch where you are all that matters… so there’s even a mode for you to play. But turning the main difference in OW into less of a difference seems counterproductive to having a different game to me.

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I find it interesting that you think the thing that makes this game unique is the teamwork when its clearly the abillities and incredibly low TTK compared to other FPS and the fact you respawn every 10 seconds after dying rather than having to wait for round end which is argubly my favourite part.

No one plays deathmatch its cringe everyone plays reaper and roadhog super unskillful dead gamemode I like playing with a team I just hate how 1 bad player can drag down 1 good player like I cant balance it out
If I play super crazy but our main healer is missing all his heals or something we are still going to lose.

Siege, Valorant, TF2, APEX, Paladins

Siege, valorant

TF2, Paladins? (pretty sure)

So you don’t like ā€œtoo muchā€ teamwork. It’s fine if you don’t like the amount of teamwork necessary, but it’s one of the defining differences in OW. Find me a game that relies on it as much.

Without the heavy team reliance and specialization along with the ability to counterswap during a match, OW is just another team hero shooter.

This doesn’t mean your opinion is invalid, or possibly even what might be ā€œbetterā€ for the game (I’m just another player after all) but it does seem like what you want is just the OW flavor of everything else.

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Siege and valorant have incredibly high TTK its automatic weapons that 1 tap I said low TTK not high TTK and the reason I say low TTK is some characters damage like Sombra, Tracer can literally be outhealed making the TTK infinite theoretically although generally you will just kill the healers.

Abillities arent comparable, you cannot compare Tracers blinks and recalls to Valkyries camera from rainbow six siege.

If the point is to just compare to other games there are more teamwork oriented FPS
Tarkov in my opinion is way more team oriented if your playing duos I could argue Holdfast and Insurgency is more team oriented too since its like 50 vs 50 lobbies you have 0 impact so that doesnt make overwatch unique in any regard I guess then if your point is those other points dont make it unique.

Could have fooled me. Most of the game I’ve experienced is sneaking around. As soon as you see someone you just die.

… I’m confused. A low TTK would mean a low Time to kill… as in death is quick once an engagement starts. Are you using the term backwards?

Just because the effect comes from a ā€œloadoutā€ doesn’t mean it’s not an ability and the argument that it is is incredibly pedantic. The characters can do things that other characters cant, repeatedly. GIVEN though that Siege is mostly limited to very necessarily conserved ammo, the others still stand.

Even in a game like say… battlefield (pick one) you can have a significant impact if you’re good enough, especially in certain modes. However you can move goalposts and start to expand to massive team games, but in the realm of small PVP team games… OW is unique.

Again: OW (the main modes: QP/COMP) is about massively team reliant, specialized, counterplay. Anything that takes the game away from those is starting to bleed into what has been rehashed again and again in the rest of the genre.

The match making for this week is just so terrible. I have lost almost every QP games out of the 20 matches, which I never had before. Teammates said I am the worst tank ever.
I know I am never good at tank but don’t understand why the system still keep matching me with enemy team that is much better than I.

I guess I will play other game now. Valorant sounds interesting to me. Will give it a try.

Youre getting them mixed up

ow has a low TTK
Val has a high one TTK

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I didn’t mean in popularity or player base. I meant, if you want a more solo experience between the two choose valorant. Overwatch is about team play.

Outside of pugs, scrims and high masters and up it is not a ā€˜team game’. Relying on team mates in solo queue is how you lose games. If plays don’t get made by your team mates you have to force plays and make them yourself or no one will.

Every role suffers from team dependency imo. OP was on tracer, one of the few DPS hero with the highest solo carry potential. Even Kabaji had to be all sweaty and try hard during one of his unranked to GM games because his teammates were so bad. He ended up winning but only because he was a GM level tracer playing in metal ranks.

well, when you say ā€œx game is better than y game in every wayā€, then yes, that’s the response you’re going to get

Overwatch deathmatch is an abomination that should never have been created. 99% of players are either roadhog, flashbang mcrightclick, mei, or torb. There’s no skill involved and no satisfaction because you’re just going to get hit by 5 ccs at the same time every fight if you play that mode