This GA Change COULD be good…but…

[Aurora-13974]

Edit: After days of testing, this change is SALVAGEABLE and COULD be fun and good…but it needs a lot of work/tuning to do so:

Namely

• The bar NEEDS to charge faster, especially on GAs to targets that are closer to you. You should not have to fly to someone 20+m away to get a good feeling slingshot. In OW1 you get the same max distance slingshot potential no matter where you GA from. Losing this sucks. A lot.
• The height/distance of the slingshot NEEDS to be increased. It’s difficult to consistently reach high ground in the practice range even from max distance. This was never an issue with OW1 superjump.
• You need to make an option to Superjump straight up by double tapping spacebar during the GA, because looking up every 3 seconds is WAY too clunky and hard for console players.

Fix those 3 things, and I think it could be great. Here are Niandra and Skiesti saying the same things:

Skiesti 🌻

Niandra!

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This is actually somehow WORSE than her previous GA change. Because it now has completely replaced and ruined her Spacebar glide feature which was the most enjoyable part of the character.

Like it’s actually mind blowing how bad GA feels now. Absolutely unreal. I don’t even have the words to describe how BAD this feels.

You can only do max length spacebar glides now if you start the GA max distance from the target and do the entire GA. The mobility potential of any medium-short range GA has been nerfed INSANELY hard. Close range GAs feel so terrible now compared to in OW1. In OW1 you can go around 12m horizontally with spacebar slingshot from a close range GA target. Now you go like 2.

@Hedied4a11-1299

The current ow1 has no minimum travel time requirement to get horizontal jump and around 5m to 10m to pull off a super jump consistently (skill gap may change this distance). The major issue is that the range that you normally sit at is 10m to 15M or the max range of her healing staff. So these things put together means that on average this is a nerf to mercy’s mobility, and (my personal experience after 7 games) ends up making jumps literally fall short when you need the mobility. This is do to the fact that most of the time you need to do a GA jump to avoid damage your GA target is within beam range and as an affect, you can only charge the jump to an approximate 50%.

Not to mention they INTENTIONALLY nerfed her self regen passive from 1 sec to 1.5 sec last patch, so now her mobility AND regen are worse than in OW1. I thought y’all wanted to make supports more survivable for OW2 because they were dying 15% more on average in GM? What happened to that goal?

This will only continue to further ruin the enjoyment of the hero and alienate the players from one of your most popular heroes. This will surely help Queue times.

Edit: I’ll provide a suggestion so I’m not just being a doomer:

What they can do to fix this is make the meter charge based on amount of the GA traveled, not raw distance traveled. Aka, if you start a short GA, reaching halfway to your target gives you the same amount of charge that reaching halfway to your target from a long GA does.

This way close range GA’s do not feel like utter garbage.

If you make it so she can get the same horizontal distance from short range GAs that she gets in OW1 slingshots, then I will shut up and stop complaining.

Or just do this:

if it worked like this:

• No charge meter
• Press space at any point in GA to do the jump where ur looking, the longer you hold space the farther/higher you go with a set distance

I think it’d feel so much better

@Aurora-13974

Mercy’s mobility in OW1 is one of the most fun and fluid and engaging things I’ve ever played in any video game. THAT is why I have so many hours on her, and why so many of us enjoy her.

The thrill of evading flankers and keeping your entire team alive is fun, and getting complimented on how slippery or crazy my movement is at the end of the game by the enemy team feels great.

Hence why them ruining that ruins the entire point of even playing the hero at all, because yes, the rest of her kit is not at all fun or enjoyable.

Also its TERRIBLE on Console:

@Dawniee-1148

i feel the need to add this to the conversation. this change is absolutely horrid for console players. to fly up you’d now need to flick up quickly, which even on max sensitivity, is just not possible to do quickly and efficiently. but when has blizz ever cared about us console players :\

Somnus talking about how bad it feels:

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[Hawnu-2579]

Yes, with the current patch they just completely killed Mercy, devs, have some head and reverse all this, to the patch of the first OW2 beta!!! , you are killing a very popular heroine of the game with your absurd and untested things.

[Veluna-11783]

Agreed. This is a neat nerf. The last two mercy super jump changes let you maintain high mobility even in tight spaces. If I was point blank on an ally I could super jump to get away. With the charge feature you actually have to be further away from an ally to get more charge time for less total distance. Along with you have to endure the full GA slow down effect in order to actually get max charge in a close space. Without distance to charge the meter you have to enture the slow down.

This is sort of a going back to when mercy never had the slingshot effect on Mercy and was the only reason I ever played mercy in the first place after she got the sling shot effect. Fast movement in a tight space.

Her survival will take a sharp nose dive with this unless she maintains near max spacing against people at all times.

[Devils-1895]

There is a 0% chance they allow the live version of GA to continue. From a purely design perspective it is bad design to have to look up an unintuitive interaction (there is a reason it took so long to be discovered) in order to be able to actually use the abilities of a hero properly. No chance the original stays.

[Agnostika-1802]

They don’t know what they’re doing. They’re focusing on the wrong part of her kit, and they keep getting the implementation wrong. I suspect that the team has no Mercy players above platinum.

This idea is fixable though. She just needs more bounce, and you should reach the maximum momentum faster (at ar range that’s less than her beam length).

[Qendel-1288]

Most support mains are leaving this game anyway. The only thing that might get them to stay is fox girl.

[Octo24-2955]

I actually don’t mind these changes, I just hope they increase her new “SJ” range

[Ijekiel-2635]

@Agnostika-1802

the team has no Mercy players above platinum.

This much was obvious a few years back when a certain moth took the stage. I mean, they just keep changing the few things that didn’t need changing. First it was her heals. Now GA. Like how genuinely asked for this??? Who?? EeveeA is the one person I know who is happy about this and even she didn’t ask for GA changes.

[Aurora-13974]

@Octo24-2955

I actually don’t mind these changes, I just hope they increase her new “SJ” range

What they can do to fix this is make the meter charge based on distance of the GA traveled, not raw distance traveled. Aka, if you start a short GA, reaching halfway to your target gives you the same amount of charge that reaching halfway to your target from a long GA does.

[Agnostika-1802]

@Octo24-2955

I actually don’t mind these changes, I just hope they increase her new “SJ” range

Unlike the previous version, it’s not a terrible idea. It’s just a bad implementation. They could adjust it and make it fine.

[Louteez-1253]

Any new iteration of GA they’ve tried feels ten times worse to Mercy mains. Pushing the current beta form to OW2 is not a viable solution at all.

[Veluna-11783]

The last two changes I was quite fine with. They were sort of net buffs I’d call it. Extreme super jump consistency and ability to do super jump without being on the ground really on the last one.

The first one was the best net buff overall being able to jump whenever even mid air without being near an ally. They just took getting used to and such.

This one feels a net nerf giving you can’t get max distances in close spaces to an allied target.

[JƐƐSHǃ-1713]

How do you even super jump with the new change?

[Veluna-11783]

Look straight up and press jump after waiting on your target for awhile after using GA. Tou see the meter charge up during GA.

[Aurora-13974]

@JƐƐSHǃ-1713

How do you even super jump with the new change?

You have to look straight up into the sky

And can only go high if you start the GA very far away

[Agnostika-1802]

@Aurora-13974

What they can do to fix this is make the meter charge based on distance of the GA traveled, not raw distance traveled. Aka, if you start a short GA, reaching halfway to your target gives you the same amount of charge that reaching halfway to your target from a long GA does.

That’s a nice idea.

Another thing they can do is to tie the resource to space bar, not the distance travelled. You cancel GA with space bar. The longer you hold it, the further you go. Holding space bar in this way drains a resource that takes 3-4 seconds to fully charge (a bit like Pharah’s boosters).

[Elodie-11871]

Supports in general are just getting the worst kinds of changes… And especially with mercy, I don’t think anyone was wanting any kind of ga changes yet here we are… It’s really confusing

[MizzFlutters-1610]

fix your mistake blizzard.

[Veluna-11783]

The sole buff to this whoel thing is that reverse launching is super easy. You can use allies to make ping pong type movements as if you were bouncing off a wall.

[Zephrin-11143]

@Aurora-13974

You can only do max length spacebar glides now if you start the GA max distance from the target and do the entire GA. The mobility potential of any medium-short range GA has been nerfed INSANELY hard.

told you so about this glaringly obvious issue in the run-up mechanic.

@Aurora-13974

What they can do to fix this is make the meter charge based on amount of the GA traveled, not raw distance traveled. Aka, if you start a short GA, reaching halfway to your target gives you the same amount of charge that reaching halfway to your target from a long GA does.

you’re still going to run into the same issues. and like short distanced GAs will end up highly inconsistent.
e.g. if you’re trying to do a min distance superjump that we can in OW1, timing the look up + jump to be after “half way GA travel” isn’t going to be all that consistent.

not to mention, you still have pretty much all the same cons as what the new mechanic is rn:

@Zephrin-11143

a charge up + “boost in where you’re looking” mechanic already presents clear issues if one thinks ahead about it:

1. it’s a nerf in mobility compared to OW1 because it enforces needing longer ranged GAs to get whatever momentum whether it be for superjump or for bounce or swerving etc. meaning it makes some of her mobile maneuvers more situational.

• Not to mention her realistic downtime for GA will be higher because of longer min distance needed to get a certain level of momentum (like you need to hold GA longer, unlike now where you get max momentum necessary for most maneuvers very quickly).

2. there’s a big practicality issue of needing to look where you want to carry momentum boost to

• firstly as skiesti pointed out, it makes you lose out on time that could be spent looking around and beaming as you GA esp if you’re superjumping.
• secondly, it makes superjump res less practically possible in 2 ways
  • 1. to get lower height on the charge up mechanic, you’ll need a shorter “run-up” i.e. you start your GA closer to your GA target (likely the corpse). now the issue here is, most of the point of doing superjump res is because the corpse isn’t near cover and in a dangerous area —> you need first move into danger without wasting GA to start then start your GA to get a right height for superjump res
  • 2. the execution of the superjump res will be less practical mechanically because you’ll need to be close to the corpse, start your GA, quickly look up to boost (which you have less time to since you’re closer), then quickly 180 look back down to hit your res
    • and one would pray that we don’t see this practically issue present itself when it comes to prop bouncing.