To get this off the way; I’m not an uber-pro or anything. I float around Platinum 3 for Support, Tank and Gold for DPS.
Today, I decided to play 5 games of Ranked. Just 5 games. All of them included a Support player who -I kid you not- finished 2-round games with like 2500 heals and twice the damage.
Of course, we lost all games. Everybody complained. I reported them, some teammates say they did, too. But what’s the point? Blizzard will not do anything. Competitive is busted and unless I decide to play (proper) Support, I’m not having fun getting steamrolled by teams where everyone actually does their job.
How could this change? I mean, these people only queue for Support so they can wait for 3 minutes less, which is pathetic and sad considering they throw away about 15-20 minutes because they lose the match, due to their attitude.
Is there anything Blizzard can realistically do? They don’t look at reports, even for repeat offenders, so what’s there for them to do? I’m typing this mostly to take a break and chill from the farce that is Competitive right now, so I’d love to hear some thoughts on this.
Did the support on your team or the enemy team had higher damage?
Moira’s kit encourages her to be damaging people but this gets over their head sometimes. I think that turning on that microphone or yours and start making calls can help a lot. I’m a support player and my average elims with ana is above 20 per game because that’s what’s expected in masters. We win a lot. Because if one person says “mercy is one shot” I’m not healing the half hp rein in front of me, I’ll be looking up in the sky and finishing off the mercy.
Just gotta work with your DPSUPPORTS whatever you call it. Using your voice helps a lot more than complaining here. We already have one of the most stressfull roles in the game, don’t expect every single support to just be a healbot.
Way to be passive-aggressive when I specifically note that I’m a Support Platinum. I understand what Support is; and it’s not a 3rd DPS. I know how Moira works, too. Good job getting 20 kills, really happy you do.
We’re talking 2000dmg/500heal here, not 5000dmg/4500 heal. But you do you, congrats on your 20 eliminations I guess? That’s really not what I said.
Sounds like the support had just climbed out of low ranks. You have to do a lot of damage and get elims as a support to climb to plat. If you don’t, you lose games and get nowhere. Once you start working with more coordinated teams in higher ranks, you can focus more on healing and utility as a support. They probably haven’t come to that realization yet.
True, when I reached Platinum I had to step up my damage, I mainly focused on healing (lots of matches ended with 15-20k heals and a few kills). But these people don’t strike any balance, and in the grand scheme of things, don’t even contribute enough either as Support or as DPS.
Thats literally not passive aggressive. What I’m saying is that people need to stop expecting supports to be healbots. You said you are play support so you know very well that it’s the most depressing role in the game. What I said is that you can use your dpsupports in your advantage by using your microphone and doing callouts. More often than not they will also turn around and heal you if you ask them to.
I too went through a long stretch where I kept getting supports who do nothing. No healing or damage. I can only imagine they are new because the numbers they were putting out was abysmal.
And this is while I was queuing for support myself. So no role bias here. I’m a support main.
It’s incredibly frustrating having to solo heal. But it’s at least doable. At least I can heal myself.
But if you are on tank when you get these support players, there’s not much you can do to mitigate that lack of resources.
Especially when Hog isn’t always an optimal pick with Orisa running around coupled with his nerfs.
That’s the thing that grinds my gears the most. I mostly played tank ever since the first game’s launch. Back then, you had another tank to be coupled with, share the damage, fall back while the other holds etc. Now that’s not possible at all, I do my best to fall back to get heals, I stand still for my Ana, I get in the way of fire that was directed towards my Supports. But when they refuse to do their jobs, I can’t do much…
I also encountered some match where I played healer but the second healer was mostly doing damage than focusing on healing the team, it can be annoying because you can’t support an entire team with one healer yet it can also have some explanation such as your team dps lacking skills to kill the ennemy.
In this case it often happen that the support feel the need to start doing damage rather than healing, or at least doing both at his best.
Another reason, that I experienced myself, is the fact to ping an ennemy in the backline (Sombra, Reaper or any ennemy that try to get you from behind) but your team completely ignore it.
So the healers have to try to kill his oppenent himself, if it keep being repeted (ping ignored) then the healer will have a tendancy to stop pinging and just go as dps as no one will help him.
In worst case, the healer can even start ignoring you also but that’s not my mindset.
Another exemple is a team dps not being able to take down a Pharah (or Pharmercy), stubborn on not taking a hitscan or any counter, then the healer will go for Baptist or Ana to do the job where they should not but it have reasons.
Damaging as healer can be benefic for your ultimate charge too but this is not a good reason to go damage with healer ofc.
On another point, and still from my own experience, when I stopped playing healer to play dps I had the same situation where healers just ignore you and go damage.
This is extremely frustrating, especially when you stand near the healer and they don’t heal you.
Gladly health pack exist or some dps have self healing but it still remain frustrating.
Some people try to chat, asking for more heal than dps from the healers or switching chars but most of time I see people complaining in a bad way, just insulting the person for not “doing his job” and so it help nobody, getting insulted for not receiving heal won’t make the person giving you more heal, there is some way to talk and most of time it’s badly asked.
Yup, agreed on all points. As much as I ask for heals as a tank, I always keep an eye out to not let the Supports get flanked or anything; that’s part of my role. When everyone does their part, games roll by so nice. I once told a Support that they weren’t really playing Support but pseudo-DPS and they had a change of heart, started supporting and eventually we went from 0-1 to 2-1 and won. But that’s 1 every 10 people, sadly, so I crawl through ranked play suffering as a tank.
I play a little tank myself and my god, it hasn’t been very enjoyable.
I can kill 3 and push up, and then die because 4 people are on payload staring off into the ether. You get left out to dry a lot.
In those games it’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t scenario. If you push up and make space nobody follows you and you die. If you play passively you get ran over.
Which sucks because practically every tank is fun to play now. Tanking itself can feel miserable, though.
I kid you not, I had this one masters game with a Baptiste player who output 10k healing and 15k damage in the span of 16minutes.
Saw similar stats on a Moira too.
In GM, its very common for supports to have around 5-6k dmg per game (comp and team dependent ofc)
So tbh, they could also just be trying to climb cuz theyve seen other people do it before by dpsing a lot
To climb out of low ranks, support has to dps first. You can’t rely on your dps or tank to get kills most matches at that level. Around plat, you have to start adjusting your mindset and focus on healing a bit more. You allies are more competent and you can generally rely on them to get the bulk of elims if you keep them up.
When you get to high ranks, you have to play a bit differently again: healing should be second nature, and you should be looking for opportunities to help with damage and elims full time.
