The reason people are always unsatisfied with buffs and nerfs is they expect too much

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Go look at any “buff me” or “nerf them” forum. You’ll see that the persons asking are obviously bias both sides. People asking for buffs are asking for things that would make them dominate every other hero in the game, and people asking for nerfs want them to be in trash tier. Whats worse is there can never be a civil discussion because everyone takes a “my opinion is right yours is wrong” approach. They are opinions nobody is right or wrong, its just your view on the point, and unless the person is asking for something over the top like 5 man rez back and Valkyrie on e they aren’t crazy for feeling the way they do.

When you want a buff you have to realize how much of the kit it buffs.

If genji were to get say a buff of 1 extra second of reflect time, and 5 added damage to his shurikens, he would be unbelievably overpowered, due to the buff in his survivability and his ability to now 2 shot almost the entire roster with his fan (as in 6 shurikens hit the body) not to mention the substantial buff to ult charge that would give him allowing him to get blade much more often.

that small of numbers and all of a sudden genji becomes the best dps in the game.

Think about the implications of your buffs you are asking for.

sombra does 8 damage at max per bullet at 20 rounds per second that’s 160 dps

if you hit headshots its 320 dps.

a buff ive seen proposed is for hacked targets to take 15% more damage.

320 x 1.15= 368 damage per second. you want her to not only disable a target preventing it from using abilities, but give her the damage to insta delete them in a second with headshots?

Granted I know this is the max output for sombra but its just to show how big some buffs can be in the view of the entire game.

Characters need small bumps at a time, not huge overhalls, otherwise you get things like season 3 ironclad bastion.

Another issue is people not understanding the reason a hero is strong.

Widow just got nerfed.

her grapple went from 8 seconds to 10 seconds

she originally got her cooldown decreased because she was low tier because of her easiness to pin down.

BRIG came and ended dive, making her a stronger pick, and the meta dps.

Flankers are weak and cant counter snipers as well, yet your solution is to nerf the most balanced hero in the game?

And guess what? triple tank dive is coming next season, and you know people are going to cry about that, and when you do, I want you to look back at the high burst damage heros getting pushed down that could have easily dealt with that.

The game evolves a lot, and minor changes and hero introductions change this game ALOT because of the nature of it.

Be careful what you wish for, because whats around the corner could be worse.

People wanted dive gone, they got double sniper

You think you want double sniper gone? wait till Hammond dva and Winston are all jumping on you at once with a tracer right behind them. even brig wont be able to stop it.

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Not to mention people have blind hatred for a hero for no reason, they dont even care if the character is balanced they demand nerfs because they try to 1v1 their counters and fail.

Yet if someone asks for even the most miniscule Genji buff, like maybe faster shurikens or reload, or even something as small as deflect overriding dragonblade ending they hate on it.

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Widow isn’t balanced though, Widow should only need 1 Dive hero to successfully dive her, not a whole team of Dive heroes.

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if the enemy dive hero is skilled there only needs to be one. both genji and tracer can burst her down before she knows they are there, so long as they hit their shots.

So by your own terms, widow is balanced.

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No because you have to use the Dive ability to get to Widow and she just grapples away, the hook’s cool down is exactly the same as Swift Strike so what’s the Genji supposed to do after swift striking to dive her?

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use his speed that is literally faster than everyone in the game except tracer to follow hero, or you know like I said before, hit your shots. You shouldn’t be swiftstriking in to get a widow unless you’ve already brought her health down anyway. this sounds like you don’t know how to play genji, not widow is broken.

As a genji main I cant tell you even with her grapple widow is never a problem for me.

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They expect balance - no more no less.

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their suggestions for balance are unreasonable and they don’t understand the implementations of the buffs and nerfs they suggest.

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new dive meta to end all metas is my golden era. can’t wait to one trick winston again

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Blizzard isn’t an indie company.

our expectations are fairly reasonable with the amount of success and talent they have.

im still waiting on them to get consistent patch notes out when updates hit (especially ptr patch notes)

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they aren’t you don’t understand game design.

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well its not my job to.

im the consumer. as are you.

im sure your understanding of game design is even worse then mine :man_shrugging:

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again, you have unreasonable request most likely.

Doubt you have more understanding of game design, ive worked in both coding, and 3d graphic design.

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All I want for mercy is mass rez with los checks, a small cast time similar to lucios for mass rez, and valk to be turned into a watered down e.

(also 60 hps as this revert back to 50 hps has already been proven before to be bad for mercy.)

valk and rez on e are what are keeping mercy unbalanced and its why shes received nothing but nerfs since her rework.

I don’t want a revert.

I want another rework and my suggestions are fairly reasonable.

hbu what do you think she needs :man_shrugging: since your clearly the expert here.

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i want reaper to not be f tier for another 9 seasons…

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They still need to fix his e.

among other issues.

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It only takes one hero to dive her successfully. Just because your dive is successful doesn’t Guarantee you the kill.

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Also they usually dont see what needs nerf also counters something making that also need a nerf.
If not then that is another balance issue

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Honestly Hammond is gonna be a great option for diving widow since he can hide his crit box.

though sombra and reaper are gonna destroy him though :frowning: so his viability might be bastion levels imo.

gonna be a lot of feast or HACKED

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Plus infinite stealth should help against snipers in theory.