The Reaper Meta of the mechanically handicapped

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Hello good people.
Plat player here :slight_smile:
I know it is quite fast for me to say-
but after playing some comp games since this patch came out, i have noticed some things that made me sad.
Reaper is a low skill hero. it’s just how he is, that’s also why he is played a lot in the lower elo.
reaper has a lot of problems. he had these for quite a while. beginning with his rediculous spread on his shotguns that makes him a complete unviable source of damage output beyond 10 meters, continuing with his teleport that is straight up awfull, and the ultimate that can be counter by any cc ability in the game, including just being blocked with a shield or being hacked.
those were the problems that they shouldve dealth with, but they went for the easy thing.
and what did it do?
now any plat and below tank player can’t kill reaper. just can’t. hog hooks him? two shots he is with full health. orisa and rein has really no chance against him, so does hammond and so on, and that’s just makes him more of a beast in the elo he ruled so far.
so, how do we counter him? with mccree? well, u could fan the hammer him, but how many time will u do it untill he learns to evade it with his shift?
ok so we can counter him with hanzo\widow… but they are both a very high skill characters to play, that you need to use in order to kill a very low skill character, again, unrealistic in low elo.

seems that this buff was not considerate of the large amount of players in these ranks.
Please, don’t make this reaper mania our new meta, I don’t want to see tanks getting deleted without the ability to do a thing, it’s still changeable, just here us out dear devs, because this is no way to live and play the game.
I really love this game, I don’t want to see it go down.

what are your thoughts fellow comrades?

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I think he needs a rework. He’s trash in the higher ranks and a w+m1 bot in the lower ranks. Though I’m not really sure what he needs exactly as I don’t play him at all.

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Bruh he can out heal rein swings by double now, he still has wrath which cleans cc. When nanoed one full shot on a tank heals 220 i played a game in diamond where i had 22k damage and 8k healing

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sounds like someone in blizzard forgot to do the math. this whole buff is a complete case of trying to fix something the easy way without taking to consideration… well, anything.
really hope they will do something about this quickly, and wont let it go along for two seasons untill someone there will actually reckon that it’s a problem…

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Just another hero broken at lower ranks. My suggestion is different patches for every rank ot maybe cut off at diamond master

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I have to disagree. There are just heroes that require more and less skill, and that’s ok that it’s a thing. With this reaper buff everything is not ok, having this buff be effective only in a certain rank and up won’t be much use, and plus doing seperate updates for each rank would be a pain for both the devs and the players. Just imagine the horror of climbing out of your rank only to find an absolutely another meta in another rank… Too weird…

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They want this there to discourage GOATS in the pro-scene. Once the season is over, they’ll release another change to tone him down. Basically saying, “well we realized he was too strong. So we will now tone him down”. This is just how they balance. Fix something, then break something in parallel. You can’t even criticize them because it is grounds for ban. So here we are :confused:

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As a main reaper I can say that its still pretty hard to make him work. Any CC is fatal because most of the playstylle consist in being alone in the backline killing and comming back to the core. CC = dead, so, good reapers must wraith really well since its the only combat skill he has to survive… He needs to be aware all the time about skills being used by others to survive too, and even tho aiming is easier than a widow, you MUST hit a jumping Ana really fast, if you miss the first shoot u probably dead… And against DPS we suck, McCree, Genji, Hanzo, Phara can all destroi u really easilly.

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Reaper was designed to counter tanks, you shouldn’t be able to kill him in a 1vs1 as a tank. You can avoid him as a dive tank though. When you run orisa or rein just make sure you have a brig and/or mccree with you, else switch to a dive tank.

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reaper is great against tanks and awfull against other dps. i am aware of that, the point im making is that reaper of course is counterable, but, what they did was a lazy choice, because anyone who was even aware to reaper existence in the game knew that his kit is outdated and countered by any cc in the game, and what he needed was a rework, and not that lifesteal buff. of course reaper is counterable! but giving him that lifesteal buff was a mistake given that the majority of people in the game, which are mostly gold players, can’t counter him as easily as higher lvl players. and telling the to git gud isn’t gonna fix the problem of reaper just running over them, and they are the majority of the player base.
and doing that lazy move, that was suppose to avoid a higher rank problem (goats, which affects a relativity less amount of players) while ignoring the problem of the low ranks, (which was reaper’s strength in the first place) which are the majority of overwatch players, that’s the problem.

you and me might have a bit of less problem taking on against a reaper. you are welcome to go and play some gold matches with reaper just to see how dominating you are going to be. they just did a wrong and lazy thing which i would like to see fixed. and if you are a reaper main, you might want a rework more then anyone, and would agree with me that a rework is what reaper needed in the first place, and not this buff

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Yeah it was too much. In addition I see longer search for tanks in LFG (could be like 5-10 mins) so yes Reaper buff was too much.

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well man, newly discovered FOTM reaper mains aren’t the only ones riding their tricycle with training wheels in a flame retardant suit.

he can’t heal if you don’t engage him at close range. i can’t count how many times i have saved someone from getting picked by reaper only to get picked myself because they ran without looking back and their tail between their legs.

you people are struggling with reaper for the same reason you hate and despise tracer so much you’d claim they can 1 clip your entire team and spawn camp you every game.

it’s because you’re too good to be on voice and have poor positioning/awareness. you’re just better than everybody else. what kind of tryhard turbo nerds use callouts? no one needs to know wraith is down or that reaper is above or behind lmao.

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I agree, reaper is just ridiculously good right now. I’m plat player as well, and it’s like whoever has reaper in their team - wins the game. His ult is crazy, he can escape in to the shadow, he is moving too quietly, hard to counter him, if you are not in higher rank like Master or GM. I just don’t want to play this game anymore… I’ll wait for his nerf, and I’m not the only one.

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Every dps gets their time to shine, why not reaper? Go back a while people were complaining non stop about junkrat, before that pharah, before that genji…

Let reaper players get higher than they belong then fall once he’s patched down

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But why is Blizzard doing it in that way? He should be able to pressure tanks, why isnt there a real damage buff to armor for reaper exclusice? Or reduce the ability to get healed if he hits you to prevent healstacking which is the reason for goats being that strong? Why giving him a buff that makes him unkillable in lower elos and a pain in mid tier elos with bad coordination and communication? He runs straight up to you and kills you. Impressive gameplay if you are playing any hero without any CC ability…

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probably because being able to 3 shot a full health tank would be just a tad unbalanced.

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Read it again. You know that the health pool of tanks is seperated by armor and normal health? So you can burn through armor, burt not through normal health. Its just an idea…

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Reaper does 280 dps. the only thing stopping him from doing that full damage is the armor that cuts it in half till armor is gone. you give him a boost against armor, it’s the same thing.

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reaper is a high skill character…

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I think you are misunderstanding why people despise reaper at the moment, choosing to disrespect us instead of thinking straight…
I myself in plat, i am constantly in voice chat making callouts. between making callouts and avoiding reaper all in all are two different things.
“he can’t heal if you don’t engage him at close range”
it’s not always the case that you engage him. but let’s think about that- at least the tanks in your game have to attack in close range right? they are a giant healthpool for reaper that will come to him.
yes, other dps’s should be able to get him down, although again that might not be the case, because the easiest counters to reaper are heroes who require more skill to play then reaper himself, which low elo players will have way more trouble with, and i repeat my claim on every comment i make so far- reaper kit has always been bad, and he should’ve gotten a rework and not this buff that extended his reign over low skill player only for the dev’s hope that he will destroy goats.
this buff is rediculous. even some pros are saying so (while others might not care, you could see seagull, dafran, and even jjonak complaining about reaper, and fissure made a video where six people try to shoot reaper while he’s ulting, and he finished the ult with all 6 dead and he has full health)

blaiming communication on a really hero situation is hardly a valid claim imo.
if you are angry at people not communicating is one thing, but please separate that from having a hero which is a trouble for the majority of overwatch players…

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