Classic GenPop in Overwatch 2 anymore, but this is a great example
Hero
E
A
D
DMG
H
MIT
TinyTag (Sigma)
20
5
9
8,441
0
11,702
Baconfox (Symmetra)
17
5
10
7,889
0
557
Sleepbear (Ashe)
23
3
11
10,489
649
0
AlDreg (Moira)
25
15
0
6,463
10,338
0
GoingGhost (Ana)
10
14
13
4,111
4,993
365
Reos (Orisa)
23
5
7
9,196
0
7,251
Creq (Genji)
19
0
9
7,603
0
728
Ryo (Bastion)
25
4
8
12,470
0
423
Naruluvhynat (Kiriko)
6
26
5
1,463
10,953
0
Royal1000IQ (Moira)
20
12
7
6,362
6,292
0
The team on top lost the match. At the end of which the opposing Moira (Royal1000IQ) had to quip âezâ in Match Chat. Most may not care, but that is the kind of behavior that I detest about the general community of Overwatch.
The other common thread is that Iâm somehow responsible for this loss, not the team, not anyone else. Just me. Thatâs never made a whole lot of sense to me. Donât get me wrong, there is value in self-reflection, and looking at what could be done better. I just donât buy the whole assertion that a playerâs SR is solely a reflection of a playerâs performance. I still think too much weight is given to wins or losses. But bleah, dead horse, I know.
For the general population of Overwatch, please do not be like Royal1000IQ. Leave a neutral to nice comment, or just donât comment at all. Itâs a bitter enough pill to suffer a loss; no need to add salt to an open wound. Please!
I didnât really see how the stats were helping your story along - Iâve won games where my own team had half the elims and twice the deaths of the opposing team because we simply knew how to play the objective on the given map. Take any Hybrid map for example (where point A is a checkpoint you need to capture when you are on attack).
You could spend 4 minutes constantly running in and dying as a team to build up ultimates but legit have 0 eliminations and 5 deaths each to show for your time⌠but then on the last fight you have 5 ults and you just wipe the other team off the point and now you win⌠Your stats might reflect only like 1-2 elims and 5 deaths but you guys WON⌠Other team could literally be showing 15-25 eliminations and 1 death and they LOSTâŚ
(I know thatâs only example of half a game but its probably one of the more 1 sided examples I could give of wonkey stats and I just hate when people try to claim their good/bad gameplay based on stats) You can have games where you healed 30k HP because your team chose damage sponge heros + other team chose tickle damage heros⌠but you can also have a game where you healed <5k HP because other team played snipers only⌠You canât heal a 1 shotted hero. Does that make you bad? You could still win that game too with only your 5k heals⌠does that make you good?
As for the sh*t talking⌠I totally feel you it SUCKS when other people talk smack to you after they win but man thats the nature of comp! It also feels sooo ggood to dish it back!
My last game was super fun, before we even got out of spawn the enemy team was calling out our tank because they had a history before and it hyped my team up to go stomp that guy and we spent all 3 rounds talking crap to eachother and you bet at the end of the match we rubbed it in their face⌠It feels good dude lol. its competitive⌠people do that IRL too! If its too much just mute/report etc but âEZâ does NOT cross any lines man lol. Its like literally human nature
I donât accept this. And itâs also in part this attitude that lowers the overall standard of the community in my mind.
As to stats, you raise all good points. So WTF is the point in tracking any of the current ones, then? What are the appropriate stats to be tracking? These arenât them, and to your point, a win is meaningless if you get lucky in the end. Wins != skill.
If youâre going to argue that wins do equate directly to skill, then I will ask you again to consider a real-world example: Shohei Ohtani. Taking the argument that wins equate to skill, well then, he just wasnât that good was he, since the team he was on (Angels) struggled.
I think OW stats just need a rework. Most big MMOs have customizable HUDS and I think OW needs to get with the times and allow us to organize stats how we wish to see them. For instance if you play widow no one cares how much DMG you are doing⌠on zen i might care more about how much dmg is being boosted by your discord orbs, I could go on but yeah the current stats shown are almost useless imo and heavily depend on what comp teams are runningg, what the objective is, and you always have to factor in that eliminations are boosted to hell⌠5 enemy deaths can literally translate into 25 total elims across your team⌠a âuselessâ dps might literally accidently get a â5kâ or have the highest elims in the game if they can snag some partial credit in every elim so yeah just in general I donât even bother with OW stats. They need a rework completely and give us more freedom to sort the info to see what we need to see.
aaaand yeah IDK man talking crap is just fun in competitive its just a difference of opinion but I would argue that its literally universal across all nations world wide⌠take any sport itâs one thing to cheer for your hero/team but you also boo the opposing team and talk crap about the players⌠fights will trash talk eachother etc most people get hyped up on trash talk and its fun.
Thereâs obviously a line but i REEEEAAALLY donât think standard trash talking or âgg ezâ etc crosses any lines. racism / threats / vulgarity does cross a line tho for sure.
I also donât know why so many players talk trash unprovoked. Even if you destroy the other team itâs just a matchmaker issue anyway. Itâs nothing to get excited about.
I do understand when people get frustrated at their own teammates sometimes and canât resist saying something to them. But why do they do it in all chat like the other team cares? If anything all they are gonna do is laugh at you or try to tilt you or your team even more.
Because I will not stay quiet when being bullied in chat.
I was bullied when I was a kid, people calling me names, throwing me stuff in class, I was an easy target.
Now if someone dares to say to me in game or in RL for that matter, I will not stay quiet and denouce. I will probably be banned, it probably does matter, but I will not stay quiet.
When this is reciprocated, I get it. But again, I see too many instances where no trash talk occurs at the beginning or throughout the match, only to have someone decide to toss something out at the end. Iâm not talking about mutual trash talking here. I agree, thatâs fine.
The example above is really based off of the fact that there was no trash talking at all until the end, when an underperforming Moira player decided to chirp nonsense. Unnecessary, and incredibly poor form, and an example of behavior that everyone in the community should avoid. The only reason for doing so is to create negativity. That intention is always going to be no bueno.
Like even though Iâm a fan of Connor McGregor, I detested his trash talk into the lead up to his fight with Khabib. I prefer the trash talk like Islam, âI respect Dustin. Heâs a legend. But Iâm still gonna smash him because Iâm just on a whole different level.â
Or you could just realize its a game and dont take it personal. Quit being so sensitive. I dont remember when saying EZ was hard trolling. Who cares, its a game.
I agree that stats are not the most important thing, but I do not see how they could put the blame on you. Your positioning must have been good because you had 0 deaths. You had 10k heals/6k damage. If I had to place blame, it would have been on your ana. Poor positioning (13 deaths), 5k heals. What level was this (QP? Bronze?) How long was the match?
if shohei was put into a huge group of baseball players of mixed skill, and there was a season of play where every team for every game was randomly assembled from the entire body of players, every team that pulled shohei would likely win.
basically your comparison isnât apples to apples.
I only posted the stats to quantify that this wasnât an âeasyâ game by any means.
On a performance level, I - individually - outplayed the Moira on the other team. Even got like 2 solo kills against them, I think.
My point is more about the tendency of this community to try to interject negativity into an experience. Itâs unnecessary - doesnât matter what forum (Iâm speaking to you, HermitPurple). So I will continue to detest it, and it will continue to detract from the experience of the game for me and others; Iâll also continue to call it out, because I find the behavior unacceptable. Tolerance of it is acceptance of it.
stats here say your ana died so your team couldnât win. you want support deaths much lower to have a chance. However, we donât know if you could have saved the ana or not. Some people are unsaveable. But still your best chance to win would have been to keep her alive.
there is only 1 dive char on the enemy team with mediocre stats, so if I had to guess, I would say this is a game with ana frontlining and suiciding, and you failing to carry because you were in a 4v5 all game. if a support canât keep their deaths under 6 for a round, something has to swap in the team if they want to win. this is sup gap, but it doesnât look like itâs on you. I doubt you went zero deaths and refused to heal the ana; far more likely sheâs uncarryable.