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Yup, and here’s my take on how to make Cree this type of hero
Change flashbang to be like Sleep Dart, you need to hit it in order to stun.
If you hit, you’re rewarded with a kill, if not, you die.
This’ll keep its power (prooly except for flashing over shields), and it is deserved.
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No he can’t… his mobility is trash and his ranged damage is pathetic.
His pickrate isn’t even good anymore. Hell, I’d argue at this point soldier does more than he does.
Just give it up.
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They wont survive situations they would survive now.
its really not anymore, stop saying that. Death blossom, metoer strike, those are bad ults, deadeye isnt one.
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Dooms ult can be used to escape death mccrees generally means it for him if you aren’t careful.
You got a point with reapers. His is pretty bad too.
Also there is more then 1 bad ult in the game.
Im sorry but deadeye is pretty good ult rn, one of best zoning ults and ramps up fast enough to secure 1-2 kills almost everytime, and at worst case is for reload.
Ults like blade and blossom require far more risk nowadays and get less without the same support u can provide to deadeye (bubbles shields dm nano so on).
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A few items in relation to the thread.
#1. Mcree is still the most played DPS across all platforms and all ranks, sporting a roughly 5.5% pick rate.
#2. From Plat-Masters, Mcree still has a nearly 7% pick rate. It’s safe to say roughly 35% of the community is still locking him at an oppressive rate.
#3. So many on here have failed to address specialization vs generalization. One of the chief issue with Cree is how he has no specialization, and is generally good at everything. The rest of the DPS class is highly categorized as specialists. He literally stands alone as the DPS who can do it all. And it’s unhealthy for the game. As it was when Brig dominated. As it is now when Bap dominates. And while Sig is capable of everything from a tank perspective, his skill ceiling is significantly higher than any of the aforementioned, and he has been wildly bullied with nerfs since his release.
The Devs need to decide if Cree is a frontline DPS who bullies tanks, or a backline anchor who duels flankers. They cannot continue to allow him to exist in his current state, where one moment he can burst down a tank, then out-duel a sniper, then CC and burst a flanker. Literally no other DPS can do that.
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What do you mean? you light up like a Christmas tree screaming shoot my face please. And then even if you see skulls on your screen from the time you push the button to fire and the enemy moves there’s always a chance you just whiff big. Atleast genji has speed to avoid damage while ulting and his ult doesn’t stop when stunned.
Look I get you don’t like mccree but seriously. 
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Ah yes, forum McCree strikes again. A hero with “no weaknesses.”
Here are his weaknesses for you:
Giant hitbox
Low mobility
Low ammo
High fall off
Weak Ultimate
Outside of his flashbang, his entire kit is weak. Which is why he sports the lowest win rate in the entire game. Yes, even lower than Sombra and Bastion. Real McCree is a bad hero. Only Forum McCree is a “hero with no weaknesses.”
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I personally don’t feel that way. There are mountains of games like that. The reason I was attracted to Overwatch is the fact there are no weapon spawns and it’s not about who-has-better-mechanics-wins gameplay. It’s counter picking with entire HEROES, not weapons.
There are cheesy heroes like Bastion, but you can pick DVA and dive him with Matrix, while a Genji or Tracer follow you. Not just have “1337 accuracy” and play Widow. There’s 20 million twitch and mechanic based shooters out there. Just let there be 1 that isn’t. I sunk nearly 2k hours in TF2 for this reason.
Let us have just one game that isn’t Quake or Doom where it’s about better reflexes and mechanics that win. Just one.
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Finally, people resumed discussing about real issues (regardless of merit) of JESSE McCree. Hopefully Activision Blizzard takes the lesson (not giving in to pitiful anxieties of angry mobs) and keeps his name.
That’s a blatant lie dispelled by a single Google search.
His win rate is average right now.
Also consider his pick rate. He’s the most played DPS at every rank. He has a nearly 7% pick-rate from Plat-Masters.
A good Cree can oppress 85% of the DPS roster. The solutions are Widow/Hanzo/Ashe or a counter Cree.
Damage falloff is a joke for the 96% of players that exist below Masters.
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So more hitscan/snipers on a game about hero variety and abilities rather than twitch shooting.
Yeah, I can’t see the problem?
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Lol. Okay buddy. You are free to believe what you want to believe but if you spread misinformation and lies don’t be shocked when you get called out on it.
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I am serious, cree’s ult is likely one of the balanced ones. It isnt best nor is it worst, its very much in the middle. Its a great zoning ult (people should really try to start using zoning ults like deadeye, dva bomb and dragons instantly as a team member dies to deny push), it gets kills rather frequently and it punishes mistakes well, and can be cancelled and/or used for reload, which many ults cant do when stuck in bad spot.
Even in OWL where u have the best aimers and insane ana players, u see how much value deadeye gets and how often, and just like many other ults, it requires teamwork to make it even better, teamwork that dont necessarily include a second ult (like with blade).
I think both deadeye and barrage are well designed rn.
So does doom, but hes still bad.
Equal or better mobility to like half of ow roster.
Huh? I guess doom is bad cus of his low ammo, same for junk. Bastion must be mad op.
Equal to like majority of hitscans, whom take 4 out of top 5 spots in highest pickrates in gm,
Let me introduce u to death blossom and meteor strike.
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Which means they need to think more.
Not completely true.
He has a godlike stun ability that should be an ability for support characters.
Anyway for the amount of damage he can still dish out and his reliable stun his 25 hp needs to go.
Thats part of the issue with him rn, u dont need to think
You gotta be joking, right? You really here comparing mr leftclick to release Brig who could basically tank, heal and dps all at the same time? Or Sig who could do the same as shield tanks and nonshield tanks like Dva while also doing more damage than almost all dps heroes? Or Baptiste who can spam mass aoe heals, has great utility and does damage like a dps? All 3 of those have overloaded kits and that’s why they can do so much.
McCree literally just shoots. He doesn’t tank or heal.
And you know, all the other important stuff like escape, have mobility and self-sustain.
That’s a good joke. Are you willing to also make every other defensive ability a skill check? Lets say for example Reaper needs to solve a captcha before wraith form activates? Sounds fair to me if you want to make McCree’s only defensive a skill check with high chance of failure.
That makes… zero sense. If he had answer to everyhing and countered everything he wouldn’t have a low winrate. Brig, Sig and Baptiste in their most op forms had both high pickrates and winrates.
You could use the logic to every single hero. So reduce every heroes hp by 25 and reduce all projectile hitboxes?
Blade still averages 6.09 kills per game. Blossom still averages 5.29 kills per game. Deadeye averages 3.2 kills per game. Watching OWL even on the rare occasions McCree still gets played (they rather play Hanzo against Pharah than nerfed McCree…) his ults most often results in 0 kills. Often even 0 damage. It’s only a good ult in the bottom skill tiers where people have 0 gamesense, can’t aim and reaction times are measured in seconds instead of milliseconds.
What google search might that be? McCree has the worst winrate of all heroes in overall. He is second last in Gold. Last in plat. Last in Diamond. Fourth last in Master and last in GM. In what universe is that “average”?
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