The Problem That Arises When "Devs Listen"

Sombra. The Devs listened to the community and did every thing they asked for:
Removed unlimited stealth, no skills shutdown, no unlimited range translocator.

Result: She became worse, because to compensate she had to get some buff, in that case, and huge damage increase.

What the community actually wanted was all those nerfs WITHOUT any compensation, in other words, they wanted her deleted from the game.

And even if the devs did just that, the community would have moved to the next hero they wanted deleted until their favorite ones got in the block, or the game becomes boring because all heroes feels the same.

People complain about anti-nade, wanting it to reduce healing healing instead of blocking it, but they don’t realize that would have to come with a HUGE compensation most likely turning Ana into a more powerfull pick.

Stop asking for balance changes, lets this job for the devs. I was there once, I asked for many things to change, just to see them get thought and make the game worse.

99% of players have NO idea what’s making them like and hate the game, as well, and more even so, what’s actually making them lose or win a game. Game sense of players is really poor, even on high tiers. Don’t bother with game mechanics, just play the game if you like, stop trying to change it. And devs, stop listening to the “community”, you will never appease it.

In 2016, you released a GOTY-winning cultural phenomenon because you built it without constantly reacting to community pressure.

Now Sombra mains can’t play in comp, “good riddance” you may say, but I think this is wrong, it’s not their fault, it’s the dev’s fault.

Don’t come with “people ban her because she’s annoying rather than actually good”. I don’t buy that for a sec, people play Comp to win, period.

The community (overall) has a very poor game sense. It’s not Sombra that was making you lose. Her winrate is bad but your PERCEPTION is telling you otherwise. If you had better game sense you’d rather ban another hero, that actually would improve your chances of winning. But even if you do that, others would have banned Sombra anyways, so it’s what’s happening now is: Competitive don’t have Sombra. Yey!! So much fun. Now get rekt by Moira out-healing and out dps-ing every other hero in the match. Or Pharah forcing your DPS into hit-scan that they have no experience nor aim to play.

Don’t get me wrong Sombra is very annoying now, but she is WAY WORSE than she ever was, and she got there because Devs are always trying to appease the community. And it backfired, really hard.

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Based and cultured.

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Long story short, the game should be developed by the developers.

Sure, your child might want ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Daddy says no. Eat your godforsaken vegetables and LIKE IT! Do it, NOW!

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You reject our reality and substitute your own. It’s not how I would choose to live, but I hope it’s fulfilling.

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They’re doing their jobs?

Because it was 2016 lol? The game hadn’t even been out for a year and they hadn’t introduced characters like Brig, Sigma, Mauga or Sojourn who warped the balance of the game.

Wha

If bastion is the level 1 skill check for overwatch then sombra is the level 2 one

I use to think it was a good idea for the devs to listen to the fans. Then we got hero bans.

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Again they never listened. The number 1 complaint about Sombra was ability lockout on Hack making her unfun to play against. That is STILL there.

There has not been a point in the history of this game where she would not have been the most banned hero since she came out.

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Listen man, I just want Ball, Doom, Widow, Freja, Sojourn, and Sombra deleted from the game. Is that so much to ask?

Through all of ow2, the lockout has been 1 second. It’s not worth complaining about.

Sombra is annoying because you cannot see her, you cannot hear her foot steps, and yet she gets to disable your skills, apply a DoT, then shoot you in the back at very close range before you can shoot back. You can never shoot her 1st except by dumb luck or Widow’s ult revealing her position, but that’s about it.

Sombra’s kit design is bad for general balance game play. She either PUG stomps low skilled players, or gets out-skilled by far superior players. There seems to be no balanced middle ground since she always gets the opening shot with a short CD invis + teleport to escape easily.

Sombra needs a rework that is centers around hacking instead of invisible ambush ganks. Until this happens, she will only be a QP and Arcade specialist.

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Already incorrect. What the community wanted was less frustrating abilities to play against. Those can be reworked in ways that the Dev team didn’t even attempt to do, which ended up with Sombra’s most annoying abilities remaining, while being nothing but annoying for both players. The devs did not listen to the players.

Characters with 32% pick rates don’t need compensation buffs when their abilities get reworked. They need to fall back in line.

We don’t have any published ban rates, so this is entirely dependent on what ranks she’s being banned in. It also depends on whether a OTP is banning her because she’s a hard-counter to their pick.

I’m fairly certain the higher ranks, where her value ceiling isn’t useful enough, they don’t ban her. They’re too busy banning Zarya and Ana. Most people in lower ranks are banning based on what they find annoying to play against, not what is beneficial for their team comp.

That’s exactly the point. She’s useless in higher ranks and annoying in lower ranks. That’s a sign that she is a poorly designed hero and she needs a proper rework that addresses the real frustrations of her kit on both ends.

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honestly i think what community ACTUALLY wanted was her deleted, if shes useless or permabanned that works too. I would prefer her voicelines deleted too

The moment my parents weren’t dictating what I had to eat, I started to eat nothing but fast food. I had to quit after awhile cause my tummy ached a lot…

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It is a ONE second lockout.

Compare that to other characters who have WAY longer ability lockouts.

It’s a nonissue that frankly, bad players use as justification to dunk on Sombra.

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Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t mean it’s not true. I ban her because she is annoying. Lots of people on here have said they do the same.

And all the other stuff about devs listening to community about her reworks - I call BS. They decided for themselves what to do. They just don’t understand that as long as she has invisibility she will be the most hated hero in the game. Rework her 20 more times, if she still has invis she will still be hated.

Even if she is trash tier she will still be hated, but people will be less vocal because she’ll be in less games.

You can’t have an invisible DPS in this game without them being hated. The fact they combined it with a free escape and lockout, all of which are frustrating on top of invis, and then they added virus, just made her more annoying and more hated. But without them she would still be hated because she is invisible.

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Apparently the community disagrees because there are two reasons she is locked out of ranked right now: ability lockout on hack being unfun to play against and the fact that she stealths in to do that being unfun to play against. You can say it shouldn’t be a complaint but the community clearly disagrees and as long as that is her identity she will not be a hero who exists in ranked.

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First off I am probably higher ranked than you, so if I am bad then what does that make you?

Second it doesn’t matter. The community does not find the ability to lock out ability in a game that revolves around them fun. FUN being the operative word. If something isn’t FUN people are going to ban it out of their games. I am okay with her not existing (most of my bans use a different school of thought) but telling people they are wrong for wanting to have fun in a game just makes you look foolish.

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They did everything the 1% asked for not the entire player base… Because if they listen to the entire player base

Characters that would already be deleted from game

Sombra
Mei
Mauga
Hazard
Ana
Moira
Mercy
Genji
Sojoun
Wifeleaver
Widow
Sym
Phara
Venture
Character that would be overly buffed by now

Mauga
Hazard
Rein
Ball
Pig
Genji
Sym
Mei
Ashe/Bob
Phara
Cas

Over the years I have played people either scream for deletion of a character or overly buffing a character they feel is lacking.

No matter what pvp game you play it will NEVER be truly balanced

If the devs listened to the community, why is 5v5 and super tanks still in the game? Where’s PvE? I know you’re upset because Sombra is basically permanently banned in competitive, but don’t act like these developers have been giving players what we’ve been asking for.

Actually, we do know what makes us like or hate a game. Why do you think millions of us switched over to Marvel Rivals? The Marvel Rivals devs have been doing a good job listening to player feedback, whereas Blizzard devs have been ignoring their community, to Overwatch’s detriment.