In a game that is is at its core not meant to be one tricked/mained, that is not balanced. That is just flat out broken.
The issue here will never be ‘‘tanks have to swap ever, and thats terrible’’. This discussion is not about making Dva a gameplay mary sue.
Its about tanks having to swap every 3 minutes instead of once or twice a match like other heroes from other roles. Its about the tank role being unsustainable while solo tanking remains in the game.
Tanks have always been meant to be countered like every other hero is, but they also are meant to have a 2nd tank to act as a safety net too.
Swapping characters doesnt work for OW because one of the main mechanics is being able to swap. This isnt league. This isnt valorant. For the love of god stop suggesting it.
I call it the “make the tank miserable meta.” Whichever team does it better tends to win.
If they’re running Orisa/Sombra/Ana and your illustrious teammates are still running Genji, Junk, Mercy, and Lifeweaver, well it’s almost certainly GG.
Sure there’s the 10% or whatever chance that the enemy team is terrible at playing the counterpicks they’ve identified and you’ve got star smurf DPS players, but when you see you’ve won the first teamfight and sent them back to spawn and they’ve made 3 swaps, you’re probably at a disadvantage now in most ranks because you’re gambling whether your teammates will swap when hard countered.
Irrelevant desire to delete onetricking kills balance. You cannot force people off heroes by baking imbalance into heroselect. Shut up about onetricks and balance the game.
These are superheroes. Not being mary sues is trash game design.
There is literally no middle ground between “swap three hundred times a second” and “onetricks can just ignore swapping entirely”. None at all. Either the game is balanced enough for onetricks to ignore hero select, or it’s so imbalanced that even the onetricks are FORCED to swap. Which means if you’re not a onetrick, you’re swapping hundreds of times a second cause if THEY have to swap imagine how much MORE often YOU would feel the need to swap.
Yes we’re all aware the game was designed to be trash with this concept of “imbalance is a feature, not a bug”, but until ow2 the playerbase was able to save the game by completely IGNORING the dumb original vision which never made any sense and was always antifun.
Irrational desire to maintain maining in a game designed around hero swaps and maintaining specific heroes as the meta has destroyed the game, as it was created with different heroes having different match-ups.
There is a reason tanks, the biggest anti-hitscan role, has been the most nerfed role since GOATS happened.
Dva being countered is not imbalanced and never will be.
Again, you want a mary sue overpowered super hero. You dont want to play Overwatch. You want to play Dvawatch.
That means the heroes you hate also get to be superheroes. Probably more than Dva herself who is just a good pilot.
There is and every hero that is actually balanced is not forced to swap at the smallest disadvantage OR to never swap at all.
Historically the only heroes who have never needed to swap outside of entire comps dedicated to countering them have also been the broken heroes that have caused most damage to this game.
To one trick a hero without consequence is only because said hero is overpowered and has zero effective counters. Tracer, being the most obvious example.
In OW1, tanks were not forced to swap unless 50% or more of the enemy team was countering them while also their team refused to adjust and support each other.
A single Ana did not make Hog useless, because he wasnt the only tank and defense heroes could actually stall until nade wore off. Now Hog/Mauga have to be overpowered or have a kiriko glued to them to be functional tanks because there is no 2nd tank and the defense role sucks.
In OW2, tanks have no partner to play around and the defense DPS heroes are nearly worthless. Dva is forced to facetank beams and Winston is forced to facetank barrierbusters.
People enjoyed this model and it was deviating from ‘‘heroes as a toolbox’’ into ‘‘some heroes are OP and some are garbage’’ that turned the game into the joke it is now.
Again, the game you want is not and will never be Overwatch. Overwatch has always and will always be about hero match-ups and overcoming them through coordination. Getting to ignore the core mechanic of the game is proof of brokeness, and removing it is not possible.
Nerfing her DPS abilities has nothing to do with heroes as a toolbox because Sym isnt a tool you use at any point in the real game at this point lol
In fact Sym has been mostly nerfed to reinforce the supremacy of hitscan DPS and because specific tank mains hate her. She is the prime example of a heroes as a toolbox hero, and in fact her keeping her nerfed goes against heroes as a toolbox.
‘‘Heroes as a toolbox’’ is not ‘‘you pick Sym for TP only’’. Its that every hero has a use within their base role (tank, DPS (offense/defense), support) and that learning when and how to use this toolbox is what gives you power as a player.
These statements. 100%. I think them every time I see these threads.
Like 6v6 is some magic wand that’ll solve the game’s balance issues. The whole roster would have to be rebalanced for that change. We trust blizz wouldnt mess that up, right?
Tank mains are few and far between these days, most tanks are flex tanks imo (i know how anecdotal that sounds). The solution is to double the number of needed tanks to play? Mmkay
Personally ive played Ow2 far more than Ow1. There’s my bias for ya, but I did that for sound reasons. Tank metas were awful with no flexibility. The game was hard to follow with 11 other people on screen shooting everything in every direction. The ult cascades in fights were horrendous and truly awful to try and discern what was going on.
Parading queue times as an excuse when queue times only collapsed after every tank that wasnt Rein/Zarya was turned into a smear in the ground with nerfs because they countered hitscans is just so tone deaf.
How about we let tanks AND their counters be strong instead of nerfing both just because Ashe/Soldier/Tracer/Widow mains lose their minds when the game isnt double hitscan mirrors.
Butchering the game and calling it a solution is just silly.
Why do you let ow live rent free in your head when you post so much negativity about it on a regular basis?
This game lives in your head and almost everything you say about it is bad lol. Nobody likes someone who complains constantly and keeps doing the things that make them complain.
You just complain constantly about a video game for years and years and years. You named your own self sad which should be embarrassing. A healthy mind never does that, ever. Then proceeded with a ton of sad negativity for years and years.
All you do is complain and spread negativity, do you think Im supposed to like that lol? You act like you have nothing to do besides ow, and you hate it
I thought the dmg falloff changd was fine. The problem if they didn’t nerf her survivability while they were at it. Make it so fortify can be crit, and increase the CDs a bit and she’s probably fine.
Likewise. You never respond to whats really wrong though, you will never leave despite being super negative and hating it all lol
If your going to be a negative downer your whole life while trying to spread it to others than you will get called out constantly. You are in the wrong for being such a downer to everyone
