The next patch will suck SO MUCH for tanks

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First of all, Reaper being able to fire 32 shotgun pellets without reloading is heinous. Like good grief. Tanks in an enclosed space are just gonna be dead weight now it’s not even funny.

Secondly, Mei. Mei being buffed in general is terrible for the slow moving tanks but now that she can cleave standing behind a tank for protection against Mei is just gonna get you killed.

Thirdly, Brigitte. She annhilates Reinhardt. It doesn’t even make sense. She’s his squire but she can beat his *** and eat it for breakfast. It’s not a fair matchup at all she just wrecks him in every way.

Fourthly, let’s not forget all the other characters that gave deathball hell like Junkrat (who is busted) and Doomfist (who is slowly crawling out of the shadows like friggin Nosferatu). Let’s also not forget all the changes that made classic tanking way harder in this game (Lucio speed aura nerf, Ana nerfs, Zarya nerfs, Reinhardt’s bugs, McCree being meh, dive being better in every way)

I don’t think this should stand. If you think Brigitte is “OP” (which she is not, Blizzard) make it so shield bash can’t go through shields. That way Reinhardt doesn’t get walloped and you can’t shatter his entire team for free. Please consider changing wraith form so it doesn’t reload the moment he cancels it but reloads over time.

Evidently you are trying really hard to nerf dive, funnily enough by leaving Tracer untouched lol, but you can’t just completely kill deathball too like Rein and Zarya are just getting worse and worse as time goes on. I think this will only make dive more solid because these tanks simply can’t be played in an environment like this.

Please consider toning back their hard counters a bit so they are hard counters and not world-enders. Also, I think Reinhardt should get a passive that makes him more resistant (not immune) to knockback. This will make him better at keeping his shield in front of his team and being a little better against D.va, Brigitte, Junkrat and Doomfist without really robbing them of their value. It also has the added benefit of making him feel more like the juggernaut he should be.

Also, I think Zarya should be buffed. Either by increasing her bubble duration by like, half a second, or allowing her to rocket jump much higher with charged grenade jumps.

TLDR: Pls Jeph/Geoph buff Rein and Zarya and don’t let Reaper and Brigitte send them into complete oblivion

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I’d rather like them to buff Ana so the tanks get stronger over all. And fix some of those bugs that Reinhard has.

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Dont worry, we nerfed Sombra! She was the real problem, right?

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They really should have changed Wraith Form further by only letting it reloading if the time he stays in it is the same as reloading, similar to Bastion, Torbjorn and Mercy

Quick reloads are very powerful

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Without a doubt I think Ana needs a buff but I think they also need to curtail some of the power creep and CC creep in the game just a little bit.

Reaper’s shotguns shouldn’t be as abusable as they could potentially be. They just made Reaper better at all the things he was already good at (killing tanks)

Brigitte is just way too powerful against Reinhardt right now. Blizzard thinks her combo is OP which it isn’t. It’s how easily she can wreck an enemy Reinhardt. That’s the only thing about her that needs to change.

I think giving Reinhardt knockback resistance along with fixing his bugs and making Zarya’s barriers last 3 seconds instead of 2 is also in order. Doing that could bring the power levels to balance a little bit where these already quite weak tanks are going to get destroyed by the new looks coming into the game.

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I literally exploded in laughter picturing this. Nice one dude! :laughing:

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If you look at it from a purely objective point of view you can see what they are looking to do in game.

It’s the pharah school of balance.
So in other words why can’t a team run an all ground based heavy impact spam like team comp? Being the other team will notice and air pound them into the dirt with Pharah, in theory.

Same thing here. Team wants to run squishy, spread out all over the map DPS in Genji/Tracer? Maybe a Widowmaker who just sits back?
Ok then blizzard will now buff up close range area hold DPS like Reaper and Mei. Now your front lines lack of fire power is greatly exposed. Your tanks are weak. Maybe that Tracer/Genji/Widowmaker is going to have switch to range DPS to deal with it.

the problem is, I don’t think a lot of players will make that switch. I think we are heading into a no tank, all range DPS sort of meta. Just have to wait and see.

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Reaper will still be bad with Brigitte 5 sec cd. Stun.
It’s FREAKING EVIDENT.

He can’t even do is job with flanky plays or brawl because Brigitte just gut him.

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Yea this. Do this thing. It’s kind of an instant reload you have to spend a cooldown on.

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I’m a McCree main - and McCree counters Reaper and Mei…so I’m looking forward to more of those heroes on the enemy team.

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Unless I’m doing something wrong math-wise, doesn’t that require him to:

  • Fire until empty (8)
  • Wraith Form
  • Fire until empty (16)
  • Death Blossom
  • Fire until empty (24)
  • Wraith Form again
  • Fire until empty (32)

That seems like 299HP Tracer or 360DPS Winston levels of "Technically possible, but…

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Precisely. Except Winston can only do 180 maximum since tesla cannon only targets 3 enemies (I think).

If you are using wraith form to quick reload, I am assuming you are safely behind a barrier and wasting at a shield, because there is no reason you would waste your one escape option on a reload if there is a potential of danger.

In that case, THERE IS NO SITUATION WHERE YOU USE DEATH BLOSSOM TO BUST BARRIERS.

Like, theoretically McCree could fire 18 shots without reloading, and even THAT is less niche than using death blossom for reloading. Using death blossom to reload is next levels of niche

Also, i love how 24 suddenly becomes 36 as if the shotguns expand by 4 shells. Do you even maths bruh XD

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I’m confused by this sentence.

Are we talking about Mei standing behind a friendly tank or an enemy tank?

She could always stand behind a friendly tank and freeze enemies.
And you can’t freeze someone behind the enemy’s tank, because you will freeze the tank instead.

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Brigitte right now wrecks everyone. For one we are unused to counter her (yet) and surely she is made strong so she doesn’t underperform when introduced. She will find her place.

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dont you understand? tank is the role people hate to play the most! and what do you do to a role that needs more people to play? you buff his counters so even if you want to run away they make it impossible (mei’s new freeze, reaper’s new wr)

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I’m talking about standing behind a friendly tank against an enemy Mei. now you don’t want to be anywhere near them if the Mei is freezing them.

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If you play Orisa, Zarya or Rein then it won’t be as bad. With the new Mei buff you want to avoid the tanks that can’t protect themselves or their team very well.

Reaper will get changed before live, no worries there. But he still needs to get really close to do good damage and Reaper is an easy target for other DPS.’

Also remember Reaper sucks against armor and with Brigitte he won’t be as scary.

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As a Reaper main I would care if they removed the reload with WF. I’d just reload normally and press WF to cancel the animation like before :joy::joy:

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First of all, Reaper being able to fire 32 shotgun pellets without reloading is heinous.

Reaper only fires 32 shotgun pellets without reloading if literally no one on the enemy team is shooting him.

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But Mei could always do this.
This is anything new.

The range and the freeze rate did not got buffed. She can only freeze multiple enemies at once now.