Yeah, it’s his pickrate. I don’t agree with those explanations on the other threads. It feels like just more justification to allow him to remain OP.
Anyways, like I said, all I want to start with is scaling his way-too-good ult back a little bit. Zarya is honestly more of a problem.
You just repeated what I just said but used different words. But you failed to acknowledge again that Goats viability has nothing to do with damage output but the ability to stay alive so long. It’s AOE healing that enables this. Use your brain
I think to get to the problem with Goats, you have to look at what the comp does that it shouldn’t be able to do.
A comp with 3 tanks should be great at mitigating damage. It should be great at healing. It should be absolutely horrible at doing damage. But it’s not! The damage is fine.
That damage is the problem. It allows Goats to escape the huge weakness it should have, extremely poor damage output.
And Zarya is, by far, the most damaging hero in Goats.
Goats should be able to stay alive. It has three tanks and three supports. What Goats shouldn’t be able to do is kill anything even if it does stay alive. It should be a low damage comp that just survives while nothing else dies and is eventually ulted to death, like other triple tank/quad tanks comps often end up.
Reinhardt’s damage is fine, if anything Zarya could become a truer tank in that could remove her charge damage, but reduce the cooldown of her bubbles so she’s tankier.
Balancing on pickrate alone is terrible balancing. Like I said, this has been thoroughly debunked. Your refusal to acknowledge that is immaterial, and the fact that you continue to repeat the same, dredged-out argument after dozens of threads saying more or less the same thing really hurts your argument when you actually make a valid point, as I would say you may have concerning Zarya and her ability to deal damage.
My advice? Drop the fanatical Reinhardt obsession. You have a decent argument concerning Zarya (and DVa).
No matter what meta it is there’s always going to be hero that deals more damage than others. Are you going to complain about the hero that deals the most damage in the next meta as well and demand a nerf?
But Reinhardt is actually more of a problem at my rank, where I play. He’s almost at 100% pickrate and feels totally obligatory, and all other tanks present you with a severe disadvantage at best.
Do you have any idea how little damage zero charge zarya does
I don’t know, is it not going to be a damage hero at all? Then yes. Because it’s completely ludicrous that we have a huge category of heroes for the express purpose of doing damage, and the best damage dealer isn’t even from that category.
If you had a 6 support meta one of them will be dealing more damage than the other. Should they get nerfed then?
Again not acknowledging AOE healing
Did you not read what I just wrote?
Balancing purely on pickrate is an atrocious idea.
Actually, what’s really ironic here is that you say Zarya does too much damage–that she does the most damage in the game. Which, in GM, is true. BUT she doesn’t in your rank. She does less than Roadhog and DVa both, as well as numerous damage heroes.
Then, you go on to say that you feel Reinhardt needs a nerf because he’s picked a lot in your rank. So are we balancing based on your rank or GM? Because it seems like you can’t decide.
Pick one.
Also, I play in the same ranks as you (Gold and Platinum), and Reinhardt is far from obligatory. He’s the default, yes, because heroes like Lucio and Ana are very strong (and they tend to synergize with him far better than other tanks), but he can be reasonably replaced with Orisa.
But Goats isn’t the only comp played. Genji, Widow, Hanzo, Ashe, etc. have decent pickrates. Zarya is outdamaging Damage heroes played in damage hero comps.
95 dps, I didn’t say she needs lower base damage, I said that she could benefit from her raw dps from charge being moved to tanking power.
Show me the evidence for this
Um, go to Overbuff, competitive, PC, this week.
The better DPS are at about 3% pickrate. Which isn’t great (although DPS pickrates are always lower because there are more of them), but is still enough that they should be useful for damage statistics and such.
For comparison Rein/Zarya are at about 10-11% pickrate. Remember that this is on a per-hero basis (so 16.6% is the maximum, corresponding to both teams every game).
She also got a large buff to her decay on charge. Losing charge 2x slower. 2x slower = more charge = more damage. Uhh k.
Wait, you mean to say that about a third of teams don’t have one or the other on them? As in, they aren’t obligatory? Didn’t you say:
Huh. Look at that. So which is it?
Even your pickrate-based-reasoning is bunk when it comes to Reinhardt.
It’s higher in lower rank.
You are actually just grasping for anything. You said Zarya is dealing more damage than damage heroes, I asked for evidence for this and you give me pick rates?
The meta decides pick rates, there are many heroes that do more damage than Zarya. There will ALWAYS be a hero that deals the most damage in any group of 6. Again if the meta was 5 supports and a Zarya, why would you want to nerf Zarya because she is out damaging 5 supports?