The Brigitte Problem

Where do I even start with this thread…

Brigitte is probably the most problematic hero in this game’s history only being rivaled by Mercy and Symmetra. Brig is considered the hero by most who killed overwatch and by a small margin of people who says she saved Overwatch. Which Brigitte was indeed made to try to save overwatch and get rid of dive as the permanent meta. While Brig did get rid of dive, she created a whole new meta named Goats and basically countered every single hero in the game that isn’t named Pharah and Junkrat.

Now that we’ve gone offer the reasons people hate Brigitte, let’s get into her balance issues and what not.

Brigitte is a character that is misunderstood by lower ranked players and disrespected by higher ranked players.
Lower ranks consider Brig too weak while higher ranks consider her OP and too strong for the skill requirements.

In lower ranks, the reason Brigitte is considered too weak is because of spam damage. Based on what I’ve seen is that the Brig players in these ranks poorly position themselves and take too many aggressive engagements and make her look weaker against these things than she actually is. Brig is not this hero who can’t tank all the damage and always frontline as she is a support hero not a tank.

What higher ranked players do is basically try to tell everyone that the character is incredibly easy and has an extremely low skill floor and ceiling but still gets insane value. What they don’t realize is that Brigitte isn’t actually a low skill floor hero and in order to get good value with her consistently, you need to have the basic fundamentals of overwatch already done. Once you already has these than Brig looks easier than a hero like Genji, Lucio and D.va who all require alot of apm and mechanics. Brig also requires some of these but behind the safety of a shield and self healing. Brig isn’t easy she is just an easier version of those characters.

What lower ranked players tend to do is play Brig like a tank and try to smash all her abilities at the enemy and pray it gets value. Brig has to constantly switch hero positions depending on the enemy team comp and her teammates. For these reasons this is why I actually consider Brig to have a higher skill floor than heroes like Ana and Zenyatta who can play back and dump out their value. While ofc they have higher skill ceilings, Brig has a higher floor since Ana and Zen just sitting in the back is more value than trying to play Brig.

For tips on Brig’s matchups and playstyles go here The Ultimate Brigitte Guide or go watch Holyshiftkid Brig’s guide on YouTube.

Brig’s balance Problem

Another issue with Brig is that she is still quite tanky and can do everything at once. She has a stun, a knockback, aoe healing and ranged healing on top of a great ultimate that grants armour. Brig’s peeling on top of her brawling makes her a top pick almost all the time at higher ranks. I mean the hero does 70HPS when she has packs on someone with inspire up.

What can we do about the hero? We can either nerf her, powershift her or rework her. The issue with nerfing her is the it just makes her worst in lower ranks due to everyone’s incompetence while still having her very strong in higher ranks unless the meta is awful for her like the Hog and double sniper meta because she can do so much. This overall makes her boring. If we power shift her we just have the same issue since she can do everything still. If we rework we have to be careful. We could make her an easy low skill floor and ceiling support who is great in lower ranks and falls off in higher ranks but we’ve already seen that and that is Moira. Godforbid we get another low skill aoe healer like Moira.
We would need to rework her to where she does 1 or 2 things not like current Brig where she is a brawler, backline peeler and flanker pocketer. If we do allow her to have all of this then we need to make her not the best at all of it and more like Ana.

Idk but we need to find a solution to the hero. Less oppressive in higher ranks but better in lower ranks without turning her into Moira. I think the solution to the hero is make her lose a job. The job I would personally make her lose is flanker pocketer because she should of never been that. For that we could just nerf her pack range to 15 meters and lower the HPS to 45 or 50 which also maker her peel less oppressive.

So that’s the Brigitte issue and my overall balance changes would be

Repair pack range reduced to 15 meters and hps reduced to 45 or 50. Then reduced inspire range to a 15 meter radius. (MAYBE AN ARMOUR AND HEALTH ADJUSTMENT FOR 100/100) Even then I skeptical on that

Let me know what you think.

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I think, Brig, Mei and Bap are gonna be the closest thing to AntiDive peelers in OW2.

And the aspect where she kinda sucks outside of high ELOs, means that she can keep high ELO dive “in check”, without also pubstomping at lower skill tiers.

Heck, a Healer that doesn’t get immediately blown up by snipers whenever the tank dies might also be really valuable in OW2.

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Agree with most of things you said except dva requiring mechanics. Dva has decent skill ceiling but brain dead skill floor. If you want to use example of high skill floor and celling tank, then use ball.

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I was just using examples of high skill ceiling

D.va was a decent skill floor with Genji being the ultra high and Lucio being the equivalent for support.

The only problem I know of with her is continual nerfs for years, stripping her of her identity. Sure, she’s alright. Dunno if she’s brig anymore though.

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She is still Brig. Flanker counter and can actually frontline in a brawl comp just can’t go past the tanks. She really only plays far back against dive and she has a Ana/Zen and sometimes Mercy.

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I disagree on the floor part. Her effective range is like 10m doing ~130 dps while moving slowly being a huge target. Even with 300 armor her crit is in the middle of her body making her incredibly easy to burst down with anyone and Dva players have a hell of a time doing enough damage to kill most things before being demech’d.

S76 is easy because as soon as he turns a corner he has LoS to you and pumping in 180 dps with 120 dmg helix rocket in a wide area. Dva is like a giant mass of flesh that cant’ do anything until close range.

She is by no means easy. The low floor is reinhardt because all you really gotta do is stick to team, hold shield, and press W for the most part.

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Eh…

She was clearly the result of trying to balance the game through heroes, not tweaking numbers.

I don’t turn on the hot tap and complain it’s hot when it burns me… :rofl: :thinking: :upside_down_face:

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Yes. Could not agree more OP.

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I think you need to understand why her repair packs have a distance of 30 m to begin with. She’s not the most mobile hero neither does she have a gun to shoot healing long range, her only long range healing is this the healing packs. Lucio does not have long range healing because he could speed boost everywhere.

This is precisely why Brig has a bigger AOE healing than Lucio and the long range packs because she is otherwise useless long distance and would be the only support which could not effectively do that. Meaning either wouldn’t be peeling the back line or wouldn’t be healing the front line.

And sure she does 70HPS but that comes with a few requirements. First you need to be within inspire healing range, she needs to have inspired activate, and it lasts 2 seconds and had a 6 second cooldown so if we do the math 55÷6 thats 9.16HPS in terms of consistent HPS add that to the 15 from her inspire she has a total of 24.16HPS average & Mercy For example has 55HPS.

Brigitte can AOE heal but you would need to have three people within your AOE healing to have 54.26 HPS which is still a tiny bit lower than Mercy which means only when you have 4 people within your AOE healing can you actually outheal a Mercy

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You want to neuter brigs ability to heal pharah and wrecking ball from a distance? Keep pharmercy alive? why?, you’re no friend of mine. A lot of her issues revolve around rocket flail and her ability or more like her inability to trigger inspire through barriers spam. Spamrat being meta, and explosions hitting both the shield and brigs hp, a severe symptom of the netcode.

Well Brig’s job shouldn’t be healing people from range? That’s Zen’s and Ana’s job.

Your basic argument is that Brig is a menace that needs to be nerfed. But she has an average pick rate and an average win rate at the highest rank, both of which go down with each rank lower. The obvious conclusion is that she is in no need of nerfs. At best she’s an average hero, at worst she’s already underpowered, depending on the rank.

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And how would these changes make brig better in lower tiers? lol.

She would need a rework for that

They would need to rework her into a tank/off support hybrid better surivability but at the cost of low healing.

How in the world, do people still find brig a threat? From low gold, to mid masters, I’ve never felt threatened by a brig player since her neutering.

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what?
20 characters.

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I main all 3 and can confirm. Brig positioning is like trying to be in hyper aggro zen positioning (no 1.0 mains that isn’t frontlining) 90% of the time.

I’m biased af but I’m quite content with riding out current brig into OW2. There’s a significant chance a rework will lose sight of the tactical depth that drew me to 2.0 in the first place.

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LMAOOO, I stopped reading after you claimed that Mercy and Sym are problematic :sob::joy:

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