The Brig Problem

General Discussion
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Recently I was thinking about why Brig is so hard to balance and I think I’ve kind of figured her out.

The problem with her is how good she is against every comp.

If she’s supposed to be an anti Dive hero, she should inherently be bad against other comps. Take for example Roadhog, he is really good against Dive specifically Monkey and Ball thanks to his shotgun. But against Rein Zarya and DBL Barrier, he’s inherently the suboptimal pick. Meaning if your team has Rein Hog against Rein Zarya, you’re at a disadvantage. That makes Hog balanced. Because his shotgun isn’t that good adainst highly armored targets, nor does it fair well against shields compared to the alternatives. Also his bad ultimate puts him under a lot of urgency, if he sits there all game doing nothing he will lose to Grav, Flux, B0ngo, etc.

Meamwhile, Brig also counters Monkey but the way she does it is different. She does it though healing, boops and stuns. However if they go Rein Zarya or Double Shield, she is still really good thanks to her primary fire going through shields (unlike hog’s shotgun obviously)
She also synergises with every single comp no matter what. On top of all of this, unlike Hog there is no urgency to playing Brig thanks to her game winning ultimate. The longer the game goes on, the closer yoc are to rally and the more threatening you become.

I guess what I’m saying is that, if Brig wants to be as good as she is against Dive, she should ve weak against other strategies. She should be easy to rush down or spam.

Besides, compare her to mercy or lucio. She has amp heals for the whole team, 3 mercy pockets at once and with survivability that rivals Lucio and Mercy. As well as Boop, bash and an amazing ult.

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i think the problem is her repair packs which allows her to be good at pocketing and range heals which allows her to do everything i really want them to remove them or decrease them for more inspire heals since triggering and keeping inspire is the most skillful part about her imo

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The problem is her kit has potential to be a good space holder, like a tank, while also offering team-healing and peeling.

She can potentially make an engagement a long one with consistent damage, consistent healing, guaranteed in-combat self heals.

That’s too tendentious to be meta in an objective based team game.

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Thats not how it works. She is already bad against Spam, but her strenght against dive makes her good with Doubleshield, becauce Dive is a counter for Doubleshield. Brig should no matter what not be a big counter for Dive, that is too abuseable.

She is isnt good against every comp, she is just too good against Dive like I said before, she only gets played if Dive is viable

Thats wrong. Rein gets value becauce he froces you to go away, becauce if his hugh close range damage. Hog doesnt have to go away and you feel useless as Rein against Hog, you need hours to charge shatter. 1 Hook and you are dead, so your team has to run Dva or Sigma. Hog comps also play very splitted up with long range damage, long range damage comps are a big weakness for Rein. Hog also always wins slower fights, becauce he gets many oppurtunitys for picks and Rein conps are kinda slow.

Yes, but only becauce Rein is propably the worst partner for Hog

She isnt bad against Rein, but Lucio and Mercy are better. Lucio can make it much harder for Rein to snowball or followup, Mercy Dive outranges him completely

Huh? Her healing is even lower then Lucios basic heal.

(on a 6s couldown)
Yes, packs are strong, but still

She has the 3./4. best Support ult and needs the most ult charge of all Hereos

Every Mainsupport jas high surviveabillity. Yes, Brigs is the highes and really good, but I think the conparison is strange

Brigs should hardcounter 1 comp, If Dive is bad Doubleshield is Meta. It was the right choice to focus on packs, becauce her sustain and AoE heal was both too good and broken for this kind of game, Packs are the least anoying thing about Brig

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packs lets her peel from range, thats the problem. A spam comp wants to stay on different angles. It rewards brig for not playing near anyone someone dives by giving her free ranged heals.

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The problem isnt Pack alone. Mainsupports will always makebthe Flex Support near unkillable, the Mainsup jas to get killed first. If the Mainsup is unkillable, the flexsupnis unkillable too. Nerfing packs wont fix the real issue of being a hardcounter for 1 comp, but if you make Brig killable a Dive can jump Brig first like they do with Mercy or Lucio.

Pre rework brig was a unkillable frontliner, but with bad packs, was this healthy gorbthe game?

Brigs mainproblem always was her sustain and CC without a doubt, she was a 3. Tank wich didnt required healing. Every time Brig was Meta her CC and sustain without a big tradeoff was the reason why

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It is, zen has ranged hos but does nothing else for heals besides his ult. Brig gets better peel then lucio, the same ranged healing as zen with mercyś hps and she has armor from her ultimate and is tankier. Nobody would care if brig had one pack because then she cannot do 2 things at once like peel while helping a frontline or fighting someone else, it forces brig to actually protect her teammates, not just sit and throw ranged heals like a better zen

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They moved away from her being antidive a long time ago, idk why people still think she’s suppose to be antidive anymore. She’s more if a CC/Generalist.

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Do you really compare a Flex Support like Zen to a Mainsupport like Brig? Again, we already had a high sustain 1 pack brig, this was the most broken thing in the entire Game. A Tank should need reccources to work, this is the ttadeoff for being the best class in the game. Brig was a half Tank wich didnt needed healing. She was able to dueal every Hero in the game qithout any skill and risk and was extremely anoying.
Brig is a Support, not a Offtank. Dont make her a Offtank again

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zen is unique, he has a debuff but it is cancellable and not on a cooldown, he is defensive, I would not consider him a flex support since running something like a mercy zen mercy would be the flex support in that situation.

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Zen and Ana are propably the most obvies Fleysupports in the game.

Mainsupports have high sustain, can peel well, have very consisten healing and can heal everyone in most situations and are good partners for flex Supports (Moira, Ana, Zen)

Ana good partners: Lucio, Brig, Mercy, rarely Bap

Moira good Partners: Lucio

Zen good partners: Mercy, Brig, Bap, rarely Lucio

Despite that who is a mainsupport and who a Flexsupport was always clear, exept Bap maybe. It never got discussed. Zen is beside harmony orb the opposite of a Mainsupport, he also always gets played by the Flex support player without a exeption