We all agree he’s not op by any means but his dmg output is ridiculous for a support and we want nerfs not to make him balanced because he’s ok, we want nerfs so he makes sense lol
I wanna hear some opinions. I have mixed feelings with bap
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Did Zenyatta suddenly get deleted or?
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I just think he didn’t need the last buff, it kind of came out of left field
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He is objectively a better Soldier and that is my only beef, realistically.
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Naw he’s still there, but he doesn’t have trans on cooldown nor does he have an AOE heal that can be used from range nor is damage hitscan.
All he really needed was the recoil removed from his weapon. Shooting faster and increasing his damage falloff range was unnecessary.
imo, for a guy with crappy burst aim like me he is fine.
i cant kill stuff reliably because my crosshair shakes around like crazy with this burst fire of his.
strangely enough, i’m much more consistent with single shots like ana or zen.
if you take away bap’s damage output, a guy like me cant defend himself/kill attacking flankers even less then i already can with him.
so i would stay away from him which would be a shame.
i get that his primary role is support and heal, but heck, i dont wanna play a healbot when i play support. i wanna shoot stuff as much as every dps player wants to.
Except we’re talking about damage here and he’s literally got half Zenyatta’s damage average.
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Is this based on a certain video that has been floating around, maybe involving a shield? Because soldier is objectively better at his job of being a dps in real games rather than baptiste
No. It is based on a direct comparison between their extremely similar kits and their relative roles.
It’s not that Bap needs nerfs, either. Soldier needs buffs. One more round before recoil spread, reload while sprinting and a speed buff.
Speed buff? As in fire rate or sprint movement speed?
“I just want him to make sense lol” You mean if he doesn’t just roll over and die for you, he’s not a true support?
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No we’re never just talking about one aspect of a character, at least if you want to make sense. Comparing one singular aspect to another singular aspect never makes sense when speaking about balance. Case in point below.
Baptiste is a better soldier in the same way that Brig was better than most DPS in GOATS. He just offers far more than Soldier can with his entire kit than soldier can make up for with Helix Rocket. Sprint/Helix Rocket/Tac Visor is just ultimately inferior to Immortality Field/Bap’s healing/Amp matrix.
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Sprint speed. He used to be considered mobile. Then new heroes with real mobility flat out outclassed him. Ashe. Bap. Doomfist. Wrecking ball.
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Il said it once and il say it again, as a Bapt man in masters. Hes op.
It literally does not make sense that you would run 2 Baptiste over a Baptiste and Soldier if you could. That is insanely nonsensical.
Similar in that they are hitscan with ar’s, mobility, and an ability to heal in a radius? Because that is as far as they go in terms of similarity. Bap has burst fire, soldier has automatic. Bap has a secondary fire (heal nades) soldier does not. Soldier can fire burst damage rockets, baptiste has no burst damage ability. Baptiste has an immortality field, soldier has no equivalent. Baptiste ult is a wall that increases damage through it, soldiers is auto aim, not very similar. Baptiste’s passive is to crouch to build power then he can jump up high, soldier has nothing similar. Soldier can sprint which locks all of his other abilities, Baptiste has no equivalent. Very different heroes.
All of the things you listed is exactly why Baptiste is better than Soldier.
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Except OP quite literally said.
There’s also the fact that Baptiste gonna be spending most of the match healing unlike Soldier who’s primary goal is to do damage. Which he actually does very well and is on the higher end of the damage averages for DPS heroes, what he’s missing is a decent ultimate.
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Dont use the word “objectively” if you dont mean it.
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