Tanks aren't your personal shield

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Alot of y’all still really think a tank should be relegated to mitigating DMG and protecting allies

What is a tank IRL? It’s a giant metal gun on wheels. If it was designed for protecting something inside it, it’d be a bank vault

“Waaah, Hazard is just a fat DPS”
“Waaah, Hazard’s only damage mitigation doesn’t help the team”
“Waaah, Hazard’s Spike Guard is auto-aim”
“Waaah, Hazard can 1v1 backline”

YES! THATS THE POINT! HE’S SUPPOSED TO PULL YOUR ATTENTION AND BE THREATENING AND BE A BIG IMPOSING PRESENCE

There’s no taunt ability in the game that makes the enemy shoot at you like NPCs in an MMO, so tank has to pull that attention by threatening them with DMG or their abilities

You really think a tank can do that by babysitting you bunch of crybabies? NO! Stop thinking a tank is designed to hold your hand all game

I’ll be a little nicer and admit, for the longest time in OW2 I’d get salty too when I got dived and my tank didn’t help, but then that taught me to learn better positioning and work on my aim to win the 1v1 or force out the dive

But then I learned, the tank is jank if they’re always trying to protect the team. Imagine if a Rein never swung, charged, firestriked, or shattered and wasted all his time holding shield or trying to bodyblock for teammates, he’d be utterly useless!

Well then what’s the point of DPS, you might ask? Easy, DPS deal more DMG than tanks and can secure kills more reliably than any tank can believe it or not, despite what forum whiners might say

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Yeaaaaaa the forums tend to have a hard time wrapping their head around a tank that “tanks” without a big blue rectangle

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Eh, sometimes shield botting is the solution if your teammates are beta as hell, believe it or not. I have won games off of that and thrown games where that is clearly the approach needed by refusing to hold their hand.

You did give me a funny idea for a troll challenge. But with engagement based matchmaking I would clear it pretty quickly. I still might do it just for laughs, though.

To.
Apply.
The.
Debuff.

Stop confusing them. Just tell them their job is to apply the debuff directly to the forehead.

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Tbh, I’m gonna start doing this to my mates who whine and whine “DPS is so cosmetic, what’s the point!” While they’re going 29-1 on Widowmaker and I’m the poor Roadhog who’s just relegated to payload princess because otherwise I shall get focused the minute my big fat rectangle moves into the enemy pov, die, and then get sent off to 12-8 KDA hell…

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1 Tank no but tanks are designed to take most of the agro and therefor “block” for the team.

5v5 tank is just a high hp DPS rn and it sucks having to play counterwatch

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Well here’s the thing. It’s hard to take aggro from real people since you can’t “taunt” and force them to hit you.

To boil it down:

The aggro you’re trying to absorb is by being such a nuisance or being unavoidable. In 6v6, I imagine this is done by having one tank be the Big Square Rectangle :tm: and one tank be the disruptor. That way, you have one tank being a wall that you have to either demolish or get around to kill his friends, and the other one is drawing aggro by being annoying.

In 5v5, this works by having one tank be able to either output so much that you have no choice but to look at him and shoot him, or be so tanky or ability-laden that you can’t look away. It’s hard to do this right in any format, but it’s especially difficult to do so when the role has one person.

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Good luck being threatening to a Widow or a Pharah or an Ana who will just sleepdart your massive hitbox after you jump her.

Hazard can’t even protect himself half of the time

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I think if they’re going to keep 5v5 (yeah obviously they will) then the rest of the heroes should have more hybrids like Mei and Brig to compensate. I thought that before the HP changes too

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I actually really like the hybrid design.

This isn’t satire or me being rude, this is legit. I really like Hybrid-Style designs, even though other people seem to despise them.

Brigitte, Illari, Moira, and Mei are really cool. I think that we could use some more DPS-Base hybrid heroes. I guess you could count Soldja Boy with his healing beer? But I love these heroes. They bleed the edges and make it fun, yanno?

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I agree to an extend that tanks need to be threatening to pull attention but your post is kinda self defeating? “A tank isnt your personal shield” vs “the reason tanks are threatening is to pull attention from their teammates”. So, which is it? Are you my aggro pulling protector or nah? Because i firmly believe you SHOULD be. The tank icon is a literal shield ffs

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Yes. That is what tanks should be about, not just fat dps.

Tanks ingame aren’t real tanks either.

How is supposed to pull attention being on the other side of the map?

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Big imposing presence is useless when their hitscan just turn head and kill me in 0.5s.

This is the #1 problem I have with tank, they are the only counter to hitscan (other than counter-hitscanning which is dumb and even worse if they have things to hide behind and you don’t).

If you’re gonna be prancing about in the back and not giving me a passage in, you better carry, buddy.

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thats literally the problem. ow2 disincentivized tanking and now all tanks are just fat dps

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Lock mauga. Ignore counters. If you don’t get nano / suzu / gripped then your team is trolling. As long as you justify it with high enough impact your team can’t even be mad about it.

As if that’s an ow2 change. Sigmas shield wasn’t for you, Winston’s shield wasn’t for you, dvas matrix isn’t for you, reins shield isn’t for you. It’s for them. It’s theirs. Not yours.

This only ever wasn’t the case in the case of hard chokes which, ironically, became particularly problematic with 2 tanks locking them down.

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Eh, theres a balance between both. Doing only 1 of them will usually lose you the game so find the good balance of both

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Most players are not so stupid that they see a big scary raid boss and they charge at them. They go for targets of opportunity.

The only reason a tank gets shot at first is if they are in the frontline. If you have a dps tank like Doomfist, Ball and possibly Hazard, they are not the target. The supports are because you know these tanks will be off chasing kills as if they were Reaper.

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in this case, widow is also a tank? since She does also kill ur team, she also takes ur attention. Like every dps who can do something. Tank is NOT tanks in ow2, they just arent.

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Funny how far game and audience are from lore

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How do you think I get hammer kills as Reinhardt? You believe they are running away? I would never catch them if they did that.

:muscle::grimacing:

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But that’s when you’re at the frontline. If tank and supports are all equally distance, nobody is shooting the tank.