Tank isnt fun, you don't get a choice

Tanking isn’t fun in overwatch anymore. You are the team. You don’t get to choose who you play because if you get diffed you lose the game as tank. No exceptions. That is the cost of 5v5.

How do you not get diffed? You just simply play the meta. However meta heroes arent picked because they’re fun, they get picked because of in most scenarios, that tank reigns.

It’s so sad since I love tanks like Wrecking Ball, Sigma, and Zarya. They’re so much fun to play but you got to remember, this is 5v5 OW2 now. If you aren’t diffing in the hog matchup well gg next. If you aren’t playing Doom, Hog, or Orisa right now, you’re simply throwing. That’s the sacrifice of playing tank in an age where you only get one of them.

Before I get the comments of “just be better at the heroes you want to play”. I’m already referring to non-metal rank OW. I’ve played countless hours now in mid to high diamond and the only times I’ve seen a team that have a tank deviating from meta either are doing a very situational play, or they just simply lose.

It doesn’t matter how many more tanks you add into the game. Ramattra’s entire playstyle is just poke, block damage, farm ult. Contenders only sees value from Ramattra due to his block and ultimate. Whatever happened to creating heroes that forced unique, and fun playstyles? You just play Ramattra like you would Orisa. That’s not “innovating” blizzard. Junker Queen is a stupidly fun hero to play, but if you don’t have a flanker opening the fight by baiting out suzu, your ultimate is just a better escape tool than a pressure them back tool.

It’s cute whenever I hear support players say they have the short end of the stick when it comes to impact. You have to remember supports and their utility usefulness usually is what decides metas. Kiriko alone is what pushing hog into meta and Junker Queen out of meta. Baptiste before they reworked lamp to require line of site made it so you never saw a game of Paris where the defending team didn’t have a bastion. Brigitte’s inclusion literally snowballed into the addition of role queue because people figured out GOATS because of her. Ana’s Nano allowed for more forgiving aggressive tank play when they added it healing 300 health on use. There has NEVER been an instance in overwatch history where an addition of a support, or change of support didn’t affect meta.

This is the sacrifice blizzard decided to make to the switch to 5v5. Make tanks buff as hell, give them damn good survivability, and have them be the primary role that gets hard CC. However here is the issue with this design philosophy:

You can’t have it where tanks have higher than average DPS numbers, and also being the most survivable, and vice versa.

This is where Hog comes into this equation. Damage was built into hog’s kit since release. However Hog didn’t have 100 extra health and 50 extra heal on his breather, with a support that completely negates one of his counters, and you get 25% less ultimate charge for shooting him. This is the reason that hog is broken, not his one shot.

You can’t have a high damage character also be a highly survivable one. That’s not balance. Nor do I think we should nerf areas of heroes’ kits that go against their hero identity. That’s what put Doomfist into the ground until this latest patch. In my own personal opinion, Hog should:

  • Have his HP lowered to 650
  • Have his breather reverted back to 300
  • Have his breather only reduce 40% of inc. damage
  • Have his breather on a 9-10 second cooldown instead of 8

This is just a suggestion, however will all things, we just have to accept the fact that there will never be a point in time where we considered all heroes “balanced”. It’s simply not possible. We should however, still balance heroes in a way where flexible picking is allowed. There are 11 tanks now in the game, however only 3 are good/great picks. If you’re constantly adding heroes to this game, however balancing them where only ~27% are viable, then what is the point of adding more? What if you main the ~36% of tanks that are now cons idered throw picks at plat and above? Well you’re out of luck my friend.

We also can’t act like other roles are any better at this treatment, tank is only more apparent since you only get one now. DPS is the same where only ~30% of the heroes are meta/great picks. With supports you get a little more lucky with a ~38%, however that’s kind of biased since there are only 8 supports. However the point still stands.

What is the point of adding new heroes when on average, only ~31.6% of heroes per role are considered viable/meta picks?

Why do you think there is the highest frequency of smurfing now than pre OW2? Its not fun being forced to play only 31% of the roster, so they play in an SR that’s more forgiving for their hero pick. Sure its not right for them to smurf, but you have to at least see where they’re coming from. Why play for rank when just simply selecting your main, the hero you have the most fun with, will get you flamed and a loss? Why do you think doomfist/hammond mains complained for getting spam reported just for selecting the hero and refusing to switch because they just simply have more fun playing those heroes.

“BuT iT’s A cOmPeTiTiVe GaMeMoDe, YoU’rE sUpPosEd tO wAnT tO wIn”

…is what I imagine some gold 3 furiously typing since they didn’t read this far along. It’s why I specifically formatted it. If you’re mentality towards competitive is “no fun, only win”, you must honestly hate yourself. I get it, sometimes it is frustrating when you have a wrecking ball who doesn’t want to switch and the opposing tank is just walking all over your team. You still have to think why you dislike the wrecking ball. Is it simply because they’re playing poorly, or because wrecking ball is a poor hero in the matchup? If the answer is the matchup, there is my point! You’re not upset because the wrecking ball is playing poorly, but because the wrecking ball is playing into a hog and just simply wants to play their main! As a mainly DPS main, I feel tanks are in the worst spot they have ever been.

Just because tank is the strongest role right now doesn’t mean it’s the best role to play.

Why do you think you have Top 500 tank streamers like Flats and Emongg constantly complaining they feel support is the most fun role to play, and tank is the most frustrating and boring role to play? It’s just simply not fun. There is no enjoyment to be had in a 5-20 minute queue just to being forced into selecting either Hog, Doomfist, or Orisa.

Tank is simply not a fun role to play. Overwatch is simply no longer as fun as it used to be as a whole.

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Sigma is very strong. Zarya is still strong, just not overpowered like she was before. Ball isn’t weak either - teammates just don’t know how to play with him.

Also Orisa isn’t even a good tank lol.

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The issue with current tank not being fun is that they carry 2 man’s weight on 1 shoulder, and meta is being figured out.

The latter is inevitable in a game like this. The question is just how many viable option is there inside of the meta.

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Read the next paragraph before commenting next time:

She isn’t S tier, however with monkey out of meta now she moves up from B to A tier, not to mention she soft counters both hog and doomfist, who are meta.

sigma is strong on certain maps but he isnt better then doom or hog overall

and…

orisa was the only counter to hog in season 1 and is still a counter for him on top of being one to doomfist.

the top tanks in high elo right now are orisa, hog, doomfist and sigma.

TL;DR:
Ha, you thought, you Gold3. Read the damn post, you troglodyte.

I agree with OP. This is a very unhealthy state of the game and needs rectifying, by nerfing the tanks that are too strong. Buffing the weaker ones to match will be a mistake and bring us back around to:

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Let’s just go back to 6v6

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This.

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picks Junker Queen

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However there is the issue where you could either:

A. Revert all tanks back to their OW1 stats or
B. Nerf them all down to the same level and hope incidental power creep doesn’t happen.

I don’t trust blizzard’s balance team to do either of those things, especially with the new tank heroes.

It’s a team game. If you want to win, fun takes a back seat. You have to make winning decisions. People run around acting like they can be competitive while playing like a casual. This isn’t the game for that. Play the meta, make better decisions, or have fun in Bronze 1.

“You have been marked with the ‘Avoid as Teammate’ status by considerable number of players. This can result in longer queue times when attempting to find a match”

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so Hog basically got 6 direct buffs with the switch to OW2

  • less knockback (useful on edges against the likes of Lucio, Ashe, Pharah)
  • less ult charge given (huge buff)
  • 100 more HP
  • 50 more HP refill after using take a breather
  • uncancellable ult
  • can use abilities during ult

as well as 3 indirect buffs:

  • Mei no longer counters him with freeze
  • Zarya no longer counters him with high damage
  • Ana somewhat no longer counters him with addition of Kiriko

To compensate, he lost nothing. Hook still stuns and has giant hitbox and long range, medium to lowish cooldowns, and no weaknesses
If that’s not busted idk what is

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Honest question, why don’t you play QP? There are lots of Diamond players there. Nobody expects you to play meta.

I don’t know, i’ve carried games with Reinhardt, does that make me a exception?

I’ve fought through Doomfists, Hogs, and Orisas, and usually came out on top and getting unsuspected Shatters on their team. (Because i believe most people look for playstyle differences because usually Rein’s play different when they have Shatter, I do not.) Does that make me a outlier?

Buffs he didn’t ask for, and Damage role players championed while laughing at tanks saying “we don’t want to lose Tank synergies!”.

It’s almost like tank players with a functioning brain predicted this as soon as the Devs announced 5v5 and where strictly against this change, but got silenced by ppl who said “Just test it out” or “This is the solution for queue time problems” and other copium takes defending that change.

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I play Reinhardt. Fear me.

If this was League of Legends, Hog would be nerfed to hell. If an item or champion is a MUST PICK, it means it too good. The lack of balance makes the game play like Dead by Daylight where it’s your whole team against the HOG monster, and he wins most of the time because hey it’s cool to have a one shot no skill required combo on a tank amirite?

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Maybe I’m an anomaly, but I like playing tank, at least in QP. The pressure of being the tank for the team in comp though does discourage me from playing competitive. My biggest complaint right now though is balance. Nobody plays every hero in their role. I think I have a pretty wide hero pool, but I actually don’t play either Roadhog or Doomfist. And frankly, I don’t want to. So, I don’t play the tanks that are currently considered meta.

But again, maybe I’m just weird because I am actually enjoying playing support right now and we know that is an unpopular opinion.