Symmetra still SEVERELY lacks and is considered worst hero in game

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To preface my opinions, i want to first announce that i have 252 hours played on symmetra, over the course of this games release. (sure 252 is not alot compared to most, but i have taken breaks from this game)

I want to start out by saying that current symmetra is unreliable.
Probably the most unreliable champion in the game.

Why is she unreliable? She is not meant to make kills, by herself.

Her photon gun projectile is extremely lame. Lame in the sense that it is not meant to kill, only do enough damage so another teammate can finish OR it does finish and kill because the enemy she landed it on was already injured.
This is unreliable. The chances of landing one is pretty low, and the chances of landing 2 without the enemy dodging is a miracle under a blue moon.
The speed of the projectile, and the fact that it doesnt go through shields anymore is really a burden.

Lets say you orb someone and then try to follow up with her beam, the beams damage starts out at an extremely low damage which gives the enemy ample time to retaliate and punish symmetra for getting too close.

The fact that her turrets are easily taken care of with low hp, and that the cooldown is heavy, means that this is even more unreliability.
Comparing her turrets to someone like torbs, with torb there are a select number of heros that specialize in killing his turret, and with symmetra literally anyone can kill them with pepper damage.

With her recent 25 hp buff, that went right down the drain when reinhardt had his damage buffed to 85 per swing.

Symmetras ultimate is underwhelming af. Enemies just walk through it, and there are certain damage sources that go through shields like winston cannon, junkrat mine, moira orb + ult.

Symmetra is the only hero that has an ultimate that doesnt do, or contribute to damage. (sombra and widow’s ult contribute to kills and dmg)

Symmetra is currently only favourable for her teleporter usage, which is strictly UTILITY, and is NOT what is desirable for a dps slot on your team.

All-in-all, Symmetra is underwhelming and will continue to be underwhelming unless Blizzard can buff her properly for the dps role.

What does she need? ALOT of quality of life changes:

  • Let her beam damage level rise to 3 if she lands an orb on enemy
    -Let the orb go through shields again OR increase the splash area of effect
  • Give symmetra the unique ability of using BOTH mouse clicks at the same time, with the beam not using any ammo. (meaning that while holding beam, she can still charge and release an orb)
  • Penalize enemies who walk through symmetras ultimate by damage (any number) and slow
  • allow her turrets to remain invincible until landing, with a small shield like sym 2.0, and also with shorter cooldowns due to it having a second use.
  • if not above, give her turrets more damage range so she can place them higher from the ground and still have it damage enemies walking under (due to fact that rein and winston can sweep them all away in 1 second)

Symmetra is the only hero that doesnt counter anyone but a mirror.

edit:
And what does BLIZZARD NEED?

  • a back bone to withstand outcries from vocal minorities complaining their hero got killed by symmetra.

  • Integrity to realize that symmetra is a dps hero, and thus should be allowed to counter certain enemies.

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They already ignore the even tinier vocal minority that play symm, so no change there.

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I love this! I’m a sym main, and it’s so unfortunate how under-utilized we are. Even just improvements in her current kit would be so much more helpful. I appreciated the extra health. I really think if her wall was gonna be this massive shield, that it should shield EVERYTHING. Basically act like a wall. Sort of like mei’s ice wall but better since it’s an ult. Shield from all ults pretty much. Hell if they make it like that but decrease charge time by 10 percent then I’d be okay with it!

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Sym as a one trick is hard and is unbalanced vs other one tricks but u can still one trick her to gm so she isn’t broken just hard to play.

Sym as a flex pick for certain comps or maps us strong as f some games you’ll win just cause of the tele.

I mean if you want sym to be reworked to always be good without you putting the time in. Just imagine they reworked sym to be 76 and play that.

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Personally I still think Bastion is worse since he has a worse niche. Sym is not in a good spot too but Sym at least has the perk of not having you build around her. Which is a big problem with Bastion in addition to him being niche.

So we give her a gun?

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I don’t think Sym severely lacks by any means, and two small changes to speed up her weapon would put her in a very solid place.

Faster orbs: 25 -> 30 m/s

Primary fire: 60/120/180 -> 80/120/180

Aim matters more, more reliability on both firing modes. Stage 1 primary no longer a tickle beam and slightly more reliable to finish targets / use against ambushers.

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Bastion is definitely the worst character. Symmetra can at least move around while being at her most effective.

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Oh I would totally agree with this change! This would def make her more viable!

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Bastion and symm actually have some pretty good synergy. Bastion can use teleport while in turret forum, which can allow for some cheeky flanks. I recommend to play this on a koth map, especially with a sigma as well.

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That’s certainly true. Bastion’s biggest issue is his mobility for positioning, and Symm provides the perfect solution to that problem.

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She is very lacking, and although I wouldn’t consider her worst in the game anymore, she just feels awful to try and get results with.

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Sym will only be a high pick hero if they buff her to be broken.

Sym is always going to be a niche pick until they rework her again… (hopefully).

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Most of the damage roster isn’t meant to get kills by themselves even though that’s how lots of people use them. While all heroes benefit to some degree by playing around their teams, Sym benefits massively from it, moreso than anybody but maybe Bastion. She’s meant to be unusual in that way. She’s not meant to be a solo assassin.

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I don’t think she actually lacks that much after playing her myself after the 225 HP buff. But I suppose that also is due to the fact that we are in a slower paced meta right now. I legit had a 35 player killstreak on her last week and got my ult twice in the first 2 minutes. If she gets healed she’s kinda unstoppable.

The issue is most healers won’t give her a pocket because they associate her with being “trash” so she’s left without any support which makes her useless, as she’s a team reliant hero.

They could do things like this:

Or simply make her beam 15m, to make her more consistent

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Wish Orb charged passively so everytime you press secondary the Orb will fire off immediately based on what charge level it was on. It will finally give Symmetra an on demand High damage option.

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Symetera is an issue imo. Low dmg hero with limited utility. Basically all she has is her TP which is only useful on a couple of maps and only if your team works together while the enemy is oblivious.

Now she’s not worthless, she is good at stalling a point. Especially on defense. But you pretty much always want to switch in the last minute or two of a match because she lacks the Umph to clear a point to make sure you can win.

She also pairs up really bad with any other low dmg hero’s like Sombra, Mei, tracer etc… if you have two fairly low dmg DPS on your team nothing is going to die.

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give her back her 2.0 version and keep her in the DPS category. 2.0 was more of a DPS then 3.0 anyway. Or give her back her tp ult atleast.

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Looks like some dont play Sym properly.
helpful tip:
When power boosted after she powers up her beam shes unstoppable.
try using her TP correctly as well.

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that :point_up: + a better tp cd mechanic. if blizz is going to make the game faster pace with double shield nerfs, tank powershifts to make them less static (i.e. making teams move around more), her TP absolutely needs to have a more fluid, frequent and dynamic transitions of tp which requires a much better cd mechanic.

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i disagree, every other dps has a combo to kill reliably, and an ultimate designed to get multikills. She is a secret support stuck in a dps role.

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