Symmetra 60% Winrate on Overbuff?

[SushiCat-11390]

I’m not saying Symmetra is overpowed, but does anyone have any idea as to why this statistic is the way it is?

[Kisheen-1686]

People tend not to pick heroes they’re bad at or are not “in the meta.” So the people who do play Symmetra are typically very good with her and end up winning more often.

[NoExplosions-1764]

Because her pickrate is really low, so the winrate is only based on a tiny sample.

[BrazZOR-21580]

Because Sym is the underdog in overwatch

[Cerburus437-1424]

When a character is switched off of their win rate and lose rate no longer factor in just pick rate, so say pick symmetra first point you lose it switch off and lose she doesn’t get a lower win rate, first point defense successful you win her win rate goes up, honestly if there weren’t any Symmetra one tricks/mains she’d probably be 100% win rate

[Bendubz11-2740]

Pickrate is kinda important in correlation with winrate. If you play a hero well in the perfect conditions it will naturally have a higher winrate than a hero played well in every scenario.

For instance, in S8, I had a 100% winrate on Zarya, where my 2nd most played (and s9 main) Moira had a 60% winrate. But the difference is I only played 1 game on Zarya, compared to 28 on Moira.

When I played both more last season, Moira stayed at a 60% winrate from 71 games, but my Zarya season winrate dropped to 27% from 9 games.

[Dalas120-1176]

@Cerburus437-1424

so say pick symmetra first point you lose it switch off and lose she doesn’t get a lower win rate, first point defense successful you win her win rate goes up

Actually her win rate will go down if you swap off first point and then lose. Win rate is scaled by the % of time you spent playing that hero, so if you play Symmetra for half of a game and lose that counts as half of a loss.

[SensualSpud-1202]

Make Jetpack Cat great again

[WarGoat-21563]

Because she’s niche.
She’s only played on the first point because that’s where she’s strong.
People swap to other heroes on the second point, and when they win on the second point as another hero then it still counts as a win for Sym.

[Cerburus437-1424]

Hmm ok, I don’t really know how Overbuff works I just remember someone say it measures win rate like that

[anon1217192]

An old post that I wrote somewhere

The only place where hero switching matters is when it comes to niche picks.

Why? Here’s an example.

You play Symmetra on 1st point of Hybrid or 2CP map. You have 4 minutes. You manage to hold it. At best, you can draw or win the game. The game will last 4 more minutes at most. 4 minutes from the defense round and 4 minutes on the attack round makes the game last 8 minutes at most. It will likely last less than 8 minutes. Now lets say that you win the game. And you’re playing some other hero during the attack round. Not Symmetra. If you win the game, you receive (4 min) / (4 min + how long it took you to attack) games_won on symmetra. So, if it took you 2 minutes to get a tick and win, you’ll receive 4/6 games won on symmetra which is 0.666 games won.

Ok, now lets look at an another scenario.

You play Symmetra on 1st point of Hybrid or 2CP map. You have 4 minutes for 1st point. The point gets breached and you lose it. You likely switch off Sym to a healer instead. Your actual time played on Sym is less than 4 minutes. The defense round now lasts extra 4 or 5 minutes. Regardless if you won or if you lost, the games won or games lost on Symmetra will be adjusted by time played on symmetra divided by the total length of the game. Time played on Sym will be less than 4 minutes and the actual duration of the game will be at least the duration of the defense round + 4 minutes if you don’t even manage to cap the 1st point on attack. For a concrete example where you got breached after 2.5 minutes and switched off sym and then you held them just before the last point, the duration of the defense round will be at least 8 minutes. And then you still get an attack round which can either be 4 minutes if you fail to attack the 1st point or even more. So you have 2.5 minutes divided by at least 12 minutes. Ergo, you will receive 0.2 games lost.

That’s how her winrate gets skewed. Similar thing with Torb. And Orisa since she also often gets picked into those compositions. But that’s why I said. For niche picks, the winrate is not a reliable indicator for those characters.

But for characters such as: Mercy, Zen, Soldier, Tracer, McCree, D.Va, Winston, Reinhardt, Roadhog, Genji, Ana, Zarya that’s not the case. Some of them see more usage on certain maps but most of them see similar usage on defense and offense. Their winrate will usually be a reliable indicator.

[TheArchangel-21306]

Because she’s mainly played on Defense first point by meta slaves and she’s really good on there.

[SensualSpud-1202]

So quick question then. But would flex heroes have issues with MMR and SR climbing because of how often they switch and fill to fit their team’s composition?

[Butterland-1912]

You could argue that she’s only used on 2CP first point defense so she either full holds (highly likely to win) or switches off (still a good 50% chance to win).

• This would mean that she either wins with 100% played time;
• or she switched and won with 50% played time;
• or she switched and lost with 50% played time.
• Overall that would skew her win rate positively.

Personally, I disagree. Most Symmetra players I’ve seen are one-tricks, and not just occasional 2CP defense. And when it’s not a one trick, they almost never hold the first point and end up switching because they lack experience.

On the other hand, almost every Symmetra one-trick holds a 55-70% win rate with her; which isn’t true for any other one-trick. So there are definitely some intangibles that make Symmetra a good hero, in disorganized PvP at least (organized PvP being top500 6-stacking).

Finally, it’s also possible her win rate is simply the results of natural selection. If you don’t succeed at her, you probably stop playing her altogether as her playstyle is niche (although she’s not so far off from Reaper’s playstyle). So the only players who stick with her are players who already experienced success with her or are deadset on making her work.

I find it very interesting that people think she’s a bad hero for anything other than 2CP defense… or that she gets countered easily… We OTP Symmetras go on Attack all the time and “get countered” every single game and yet, we win a good 60% of our games. Statistics don’t lie.

[anon1217192]

Above diamond, it shouldn’t matter since personalized gains are no longer a thing

As for below diamond, yeah, swapping probably gives you less personalized gains. However, personalized gains are probably only a small portion of the total change and it’s still better to win the game and then have sub-optimal gains than to lose the game and then have slightly lower SR loss.

[SensualSpud-1202]

Thanks for the information. I keep teetering from Platinum and Diamond (PS4 and PC), and sometimes it just feels very inconsistent with gains and losses.