So is Sym viable now or are we making excuses for why she isn’t?
If it is just one it doesn’t really mean anything.
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I can understand that for the rest of the 495, but top 2, let alone top 5 just means the hero is fine and takes a special certain type of person to play them effectively.
No wonder devs do not touch Sym, she’s fine.
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There are also a few Junk OTPs, a Venture OTP, and a Junk plus Venture two trick. Let’s not pretend that some anomalies who go the extra mile to make bad characters work mean that those bad characters are in a good state. Let’s be real. Chances are that if you load in and see that you have a Sym or a Junk on your team, you’d much rather have a Tracer or whatever instead.
I’m pretty sure a Zangief’s taken a Street Fighter 6 tourny before. Does that mean that Zangief’s not regarded as low tier? No. It means that the guy behind the 'Gief was absolutely godlike. I’m also pretty sure that someone won a major tourny with Panda in Tekken 7, a joke character who isn’t meant to do well. A lot of dedication can go a long way.
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There are ppl who are just exceptionally good at certain heroes. It is not the first time something like this happens.
If a big part of the top players are using symemtra, only then it becomes worrying.
In the current case, the guys is probably stacking with someone else, using some obscure combo that caught the other teams unprepared.
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But buffing these heroes only make the current players who are using them and excelling on them even more cracked.
Some heroes cannot be adopted by certain people. The quicker we realize this, the better the balance of the game will be.
Sym, Venture, Junkrat, etc… are all for those with a higher skill set than normal, while Cassidy, Sojourn, Widowmaker, Tracer are for the normies.
I’ll end with this: if it can be brought up to top500, that hero is fine. Only the heroes who aren’t in top500 should be buffed.
Okay, but why is that a bad thing? People who are cracked should do well, but that success shouldn’t be at normal people’s expense. Besides which, it’s not like the cracked folks are going to do anything significantly better than getting into T500. There’s nowhere left to go once you’ve gone high enough to reach heaven.
Meanwhile, I’d quite like it if I didn’t see my DPS pick a Sym or the like and go, “Oh, Lordy, this is going to be a tough game unless I’m playing alongside the one percent of the population who can make this work.”
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That’s on your DPS then. If they deliberately picking a hero they know they cannot play, that’s on them. Are you going to buff Widowmaker to have auto-aim and 6 second grapple since more than half the community can’t aim at the broadside of a barn or position themselves correctly?
Talk to a few REAL sym mains from the beginning. They were all upset that Sym got reworked and the excuse for the rework was “not enough players were playing Sym”. That’s just a slap in the face to those who actually try to learn and understand the hero, rather the hero just give it to them, like D.va and how easy she is.
There are many 1 tricks of heroes that aren’t doing well in the T500 it’s been that way since OW1…
Doesn’t mean the hero is doing good, many of them even put wayyyy more effort than other people need to, just to make their hero viable for them.
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Let me guess, you also claimed Junk was fine when KMJ hit Rank 1 because you don’t understand outliers?
God awful logic
Every single hero can be brought to Top 500 at any time.
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Then by that logic… they’re all fine and that is why the devs barely touch any of them unless they’re really a problem.
Sounds like cope otherwise. If KMJ can bring rat to 1, you can too. You bleed the same as him.
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- Its the only person playing Sym in t500 NA.
- Doesnt stop the hero from being trash, just says the player went the 10 extra miles to make Sym work.
- We dont know if they are leaning into the team TP bot gimmick to win matches on premade teams, which is the only thing left to Sym as a hero.
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Sorry, I should reiterate
Your logic cant be god awful, because there no logic to be found in your head.
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Your resort to belittling just shows where you intelligence is at, lol. I’m not about to waste time on you. Blocked.
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The trouble is that next to no-one can play these heroes. What’s the point of putting characters in the game that can only succeed in the hands of seventeen people? They’re a waste of time and money.
Reworks aren’t the same as buffs, but if exceptionals don’t want buffs to their character and enjoy being one of only eleven people in the world that can make it to the top, then they’ll have to suck it up. The needs of considerably-more-than-eleven players of other characters come first and that’s that.
Because they’re are 39 other options. Sym is just one of them. All 40 heroes are one-trickable and viable, it just requires more practice or effort for some of them, which is fine.
It’s like setting the difficulty of a game from Normal to Very Hard. Some masochists prefer it that way, I’m one of them tbh.
Adding onto this: We had an Orisa meta for the longest, why? Because of how easily accessible she was BUT we still had Reinhardt one tricks still prospering that meta, a meta where is he countered pretty hard in. How? Because the people playing them didn’t give up and beg for buffs, they just worked with what they got and made their favorite hero work throughout it.
Reasons why I have more respect for one tricks than counter swappers.
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Nah, I just see no reason to waste time debating with someone as stupid of a take as what you stated.
No one has ever said that you cant win with Symmetra. She is not disabled from being picked.
The issue has always been that you need to put several times the effort to do anything with Sym that with overpowered unnerfed meta enforced hitscans.
Using the single person playing her in an already microscopic minority of the game is nothing short of terminal internet contrarian behavior. You dont sound like you are here to have a discussion, you are here to throw a cheap, insipid gotcha to shut up at players of a hero you have personal beef with.
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and Ranulf, I want you to know, that’s fine. It’s ok for Sym to be a hero who requires more intelligence than just spamming M1, teleporting around, and recalling their HP back.
There isn’t exactly an abundance of smart players on this game. So Sym being as unpopular as she is always made sense. She requires more critical thinking and planning to get the most value. Which is fine. If you don’t want to go that route, just pick Tracer or Cassidy, maybe Soldier, lol. Those heroes are the easiest to pick up imo.
This isnt a thing of intelligence.
This is thing that even the best Sym players cant compete after the Nth nerf done to her in the last years.
Also? Do not try to twist this into ‘‘Symmetra requires effort and brain and thats ok’’ because at this point the best Sym players have been basically ran out of high ranks because the breaking point for Sym’s effort/reward ratio is completely broken.
Sym being weak can not be excused with that.
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