Rein , soldier, and mercy are like… The archetypes of their classes
If Mercy isn’t going to ever be reworked again and only will get nerfs/buffs etc, that means soldier and mercy have transformative ults that just make them do their normal job better , make rein more in line with that.
“Hammer down” is him literally placing his hammer down and the mega shield goes out. It lasts long too so rein doesn’t have to rush in to get value from his ult. Now he can fight without having to worry about blocking damage.
Sym already had turrets that slow and damage. Why wouldn’t her ult emphasize that?
She sends out a barrier but in he floor that stuns and damages in front of her. It makes sense with her kit and in her new dps role, it makes sense to have an ult that stops others from running from her (since she has no mobility)
I live rein and symm but the overwatch roster has been weird with ults and design and kits. I want them more streamlined than what we have.
That’s a no from me chief, Earth Shatter helps Reinhardt gets his job done as a space creater.
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Does symms ult not create space?
Could be, but Reinhardt has a big barrier already.
Soldier shoots stuff already. Mercy heals and dmgs boosts stuff already.their ults make their primary job stronger. Rein blocks damage. A giant perma barrier makes his primary job stronger.
Rein now has a tiny high damage light gun he can fire while shielding. So dainty and elegant. Sym now has a giant hammer that she can wield with unnatural strength, enough strength to shatter the very ground she walks on.
I say we do it just for the comedy factor. But no, seriously let’s not actually do this.
No, Soldier’s ultimate amplifies his primary weapon, Mercy’s ultimate upgrades her primary and gives her other benefits like flying and infinite ammo. Reinhardt’s ultimate powers up his primary, and is a key ability and an essential tool to make his kit work, taking that away from him and giving another ability (that he already has) just because it give space like Earthshatter just doesn’t add up. Reinhardt is fin with his current ultimate.
I know you want Symmetra to be viable, but not like that. You don’t take another hero’s ultimate hehe
I seriously think this is better to keep the heroes in line with both their roles, kits, and for rein: his design as a main archetype for his role along with soldier and mercy.
Had valkyrie never existed , I never would have thought of it. But since Mercy and soldier have these " buff my job " ults, I think rein should too
How does it do that? Enemies can still pass freely through it, in fact it encourages them to pass through it so that they can do damage.
If it were a barrier that blocked enemies from passing though but that still allowed your team to shoot through it but not your enemies then it could create space.
Earthshatter already “buff his job”, it creates space and enables his team, that’s his job…
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… So you think symms ult is bad?
I think it’s fine. Just not for a dps. It’s an ult meant for a tank or support .
How does shatter amplify his primary of blocking?
Giving rein a barrier ult amplifies his primary of blocking and creating space.
Orisa has dmg boost for an ult. She didn’t steal it from mercy. It’s use and practicality are for orisa alone. Mercy gained valk. She didn’t steal it from orisa. Her use and practicality are for Mercy alone.
Switching rein and symm changes how the ults would play . Rein, no longer concerned with his team, can engage in the fight more. He doesn’t have to sacrifice blocking in order to firestrike and charge. He can freely fight as a crusader.
Symm, with s tunned targets can now kill easier
She has time to use her turrets, and set up.
It makes more sense.
If you’re solely playin’ Reinhardt for blocking damage, then you’re playin’ him wrong. It’s like saying Orisa should also have a giant barrier as an ultimate, just because she can block damage.
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Then how does rein create space as a tank now? That doesn’t make sense. Barriers create space.
It’s not just barriers that create space, damage can also create space like Widow , Junkrat and Bastion denying the enemy space and give it to their team. There’s also characters that create space by taunting the enemy like Hammy and Roadhog, tanks have a lot of tools to creats space, but it’s not only them who can make it.
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I’m saying rein as a main three of archetypes should. Mercy is the archetype of healing. Soldier is dps. Rein is tank.
Tanks block and create space. That’s symms ult. Not reins.
Shatter doesn’t buff his kit like Mercy and soldier. Soldier shoots in main play. His ult makes him shoot better.
Mercy flies and heals and dmg boosts in main play. Her ult makes her do this better.
Rein should be able to do his barrier job better in his ult to make him more in line as a “archetype main three”
This is gonna take a while…
Listen partner, Reinhardt already has a barrier, and it’s great at blockin’ damage. He also needs his ultimate to enable his team, and that’s also his job. It doesn’t matter if Symmetra’s ultimate can do that, Reinhardt is doin’ just fine with his current kit. He’s great at blockin’ damage, and he’s great at enablin’ his team.
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I’ve been playing a lot of Rein lately and that sounds terrible.
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Yeah. I don’t deny that. But how they go about it as junk or widow is different than rein. A giant barrier is more in line with rein I think.
I love his cinematic. “Barrier is failing!” I almost cried. Now he has an optional voice line of
“My barrier will not fail!” Ohhh this is fantastic.
“Shield is up! Do your worst!”
"My shield will not break! " Ahhh im crying
That sounds wonderful, the thing is Earthshatter was also in the cinematic as well.
I mean it make sense why sym ult do anchor tank job?