Even though data gotten from here is very bias as players only come here who are angry about something.
Its not even a random sample of the playerbase which you could extrapolate data from.
We can’t really say anything about data gotten from here (or reddit) as its all heavily bias.
The main reason why I do not want Valk on E is because she already has THEEE best mobility of any support.
She was fine before she had GA jumping. GA jumping was a cool bug that got turned into a feature. Now she’s harder to kill, because the 2s CD starts when she GA jumps, meaning she can then GA after 1 second rather than 2.
Now that Valk exists, people want it swapped with E, so she has “independent mobility.” Of which she doesn’t need. She already has strong healing, thus she doesn’t need AoE healing on an ability with a CD.
With Valk being an E, she then becomes more slippery, and her mobility is fine currently.
If mass rez is coming back, delete Valk.
You’re never going to confirm anything as being popular or unpopular by some simple survey or whatever it is you did
The entire playerbase did not take part in your project
Yes, I provided it to you. No link required.
I have infact looked it up, since you haven’t seem to be able to provide.
Factually, I was able to provide it to you, and did
And the following quote that talks about the most recent patch reads:
Yes, thats the right piece
Allow me to ask then, because maybe I am missing it, or it’s buried in invisible text somewhere.
I do not understand your reference to invisible text.
Why would a developer make text - that is intended to convey an understanding to the reader - invisible? This I think would defeat the purpose of conveying that information to the reader
Where in this passage do you see the following quote that you claimed?
It is there
I’m looking, and I don’t see such a statement being made.
It is there
I’ve already proven why it would be a revert
Although the above is stated as if it were a fact, I believe it to be an opinion; and I disagree with that opinion.
Where ever could that “Factually factual” statement be?
I don’t understand the term “factually factual”.
Since you’re quoting it, did someone else earlier in this thread (or some other thread) use that phrase?
am I left to believe that we are just making assumptions on what we think it should mean to suit our own agendas?
I am unsure who the “we” and “our” is that you are referring to, and as such, I dont think I can answer the question being asked here
Aside - I still dont understand the blush and/or smirk emoticons you are using in this thread in relation to the topic being discussed
The main reason why I do not want Valk on E is because she already has THEEE best mobility of any support.
She was fine before she had GA jumping. GA jumping was a cool bug that got turned into a feature. Now she’s harder to kill, because the 2s CD starts when she GA jumps, meaning she can then GA after 1 second rather than 2.
Now that Valk exists, people want it swapped with E, so she has “independent mobility.” Of which she doesn’t need. She already has strong healing, thus she doesn’t need AoE healing on an ability with a CD.
With Valk being an E, she then becomes more slippery, and her mobility is fine currently.
If mass rez is coming back, delete Valk.
I figure I’d try to appeal to those who still want Valkyrie, by offering suggestions that still include it as an ability. But I suppose you do bring up a good point in terms of mobility.
If they do bring it back, and Valk is removed, I personally wouldn’t mind. At the same time though, I wouldn’t be surprised if that too gets some backlash. I would still like to keep her bunny hop and super jump though (which may or may not be connected to her rework).
It is there
Where is the statement “this is a buff, not a revert” anywhere in that dev note?
this last set of two changes was a buff, not a revert
Once more, could you please quote where the dev makes this exact phrase as you’ve stated in the paragraph? Because otherwise, I’m pretty sure that it is factually, not there.
Although the above is stated as if it were a fact, I believe it to be an opinion; and I disagree with that opinion.
Going back to something that existed previously, which is by definition a revert, is “an opinion” now?
I mean you are free to disagree with it, but I assure you, that literal number changes that go back to a previous number, which is by definition a revert, are a bit more than just an “opinion”.
~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls
We had someone a few weeks a go do a thorough project proving beyond any reasonable doubt that Valkyrie is not popular as an ult. Pot, meet kettle.
It is (as I understand it) human nature to be far more likely to complain about something one doesnt like than praise something one does like
As such, I dont believe anything of the sort was proven to any extent
and
The entire playerbase did not take part in your project
this
The fact that the only actual discussion that didn’t end in a rebuttel,opinions and/or specualtion had in this thread (oh sorry two threads cause they got merged) is about y’know bloody semantics thats got to say something about this thread
Yeah it’s pretty crazy lmao. But I mean the needless semantics of it are important for their argument as they’re trying to tally up the number of “reverts” (such as voicelines and stuff) as some sort of indicator mass rez is coming back. For them it’s important to identify any possible “revert.”
For them it’s important to identify any possible “revert.”
and in this case, it isnt - it is a buff
sure man honeslty the fact that you care amazes me but after all you’ve got a narrative to fill so does xavvy
Yeah the ult charge change is a straight buff. The increase to 60hps in Valk is a buff. I personally am not trying to tally up a list of “reverts” in some attempt to allude to a return of mass rez so I’m not interested in splitting the semantic hairs of it being a “revert.” Seems pointless to me.
That said, arguing with xavvy on the semantics is definitely an exercise in futility lol.
arguing with xavvy on the semantics is definitely an exercise in futility
My discussion has mostly been with someone named RevertMercy
Interesting that your consideration of fair, balance, and fun is wrapped around only one aspect of a character…
I’m not sure if you really liked the character, or if you enjoyed just less of a challenge.
Valkyrie should not be an E ability. Mercy has high mobility as it is. This would just overload her kit.
But I agree that Rez shouldn’t be on CD.
why dont they just replace total mayhem
with revert mayhem , which is heroes that have the most “revert” uproar will recieve their old kit back, even though its not a permanent revert its still somethin
So that only features like 4 people then?
Interesting that your consideration of fair, balance, and fun is wrapped around only one aspect of a character…
I’m not sure if you really liked the character, or if you enjoyed just less of a challenge.
That’s an interesting way of projecting your opinion of what someone you hardly know likes or doesn’t like, on the internet. Though I completely disagree with you and feel that all heroes should be made fun, fair, and balanced, I respect your opinion nonetheless.
Valkyrie should not be an E ability. Mercy has high mobility as it is. This would just overload her kit.
But I agree that Rez shouldn’t be on CD.
In terms of rez not being on CD, we are in agreement.
In terms of Valk on E, I think with nerfs to it’s range, and only having a 6 second duration, it would be fine. But of course that’s just my opinion, and we can just agree to disagree there.
~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls
you can still play the entire hero roster, just those particular 4 will get their old kit back or some of it, for example symmetra will get her old primary fire and old ult back
Yeah, but all your opinions and arguments are all about Mercy, and Mercy only, and not how her varying versions of herself in this game affected literally every other hero and player.
Although I think your signature was originally made with good intentions, it’s developed into this ironic statement that contradicts itself with every post you make. You never consider anyone else but you playing Mercy when you make posts and comments.
Rez on E has been the one of the worst parts of her kit since the rework, and Valkyrie has been one of the least impactful ultimates to play in this game.
this is a wide agreed to thing the devs dont understand for some reason.
yes, 2.0 valk was ultimate worthy.
but its been gutted so much it no longer is the case.
and rez has always been powerful and ultimate worthy on top of feeling better when you EARNED it.
just wish they (devs) would do a poll on the most liked/disliked parts of her kit and work from there.
That’s an interesting way of projecting your opinion of what someone you hardly know likes or doesn’t like, on the internet. Though I completely disagree with you and feel that all heroes should be made fun, fair, and balanced, I respect your opinion nonetheless.
It’s feels like more of an observation. You put a lot of emphasis into one aspect of a character as its signal of not being worthless.
She still has the most consistent and reliable form of healing. She buffs players. She provides a rez (that they had to manage the use of because it’s 6v6 not 24v24). She still has mobility.
Mercy is still Mercy. When they “gutted” her… I only had to learn how to use Rez more frequently/selectively… I didn’t have to completely relearn the hero. Mercy was very much the same character I had been playing.
The only people who had to relearn Mercy were people who had to invest in learning hide’n’rez, or combo rez.