It cleanses the stun/slow but doesn’t prevent the next tick. Mei’s primary and ult are slow debuffs that keep stacking, until reach specific values or more. Speed aura with amp it up or juno’s ring or queen shout will counter the slow and prevent the freeze.
Knockdowns are 2-3 states function
Dropdown (animation)
stun effect (til reach the ground, can be cleansed on ground)
Backup (animation)
The suzu cleanses the stun effect, but doesn’t fix the animation of backing up or backing down. If you prevent the initial impact you nullify the ability itself, otherwise you will fix the middle stage.
Zarya bubble cleanse stuff doesn’t lift tolks from the ground.
Kiriko did and was wrong. They simply fixed it to be on par to other cleanse abilities.
There are 5 heroes who does knockdown, 6 if you account echo:
Ana(1 ability), sigma(1 ability), doom(1 ability), brig(1 ability) and rein(2 abilities)
adding kiriko was a mistake, and if thats the case why make it so sombra can cancel orisa ult with hack? theyv’e done plenty of things like this that are worst for tanks.
lmfao what are you even talking about. Why are you in every thread spouting nonsense and using buzz words to make you sound “smart”
you said “apply the same rules as shatter to freeze” but you cant because they dont follow the same rules. my whole point is that they should, one way or the other.
Nice attempt at trying to victimize Rein but he isn’t a victim nor was he a victim for a while. At the height of people complaining about Orisa, Rein was outperforming her at every single rank. They coddle “baby’s first tank” every chance they get.
There’s no reason his ult should have the range it has AND such a long duration especially given how low the cost is and how easily and quickly he can get it.
Rein’s BEEN fine for a LONG time, his ult should get nerfed.
Rein’s ult being too low cost and having too much stun duration and/or range has nothing to do with the lack of tank players.
You should start using your brain instead of copy+pasting the same dumb arguments every time someone mentions tanks. People keep explaining why your logic is skewed and nonsensical and often irrelevant and you keep saying the same thing like an ai bot.
I’m pointing out that his downsides need upsides. I’m not saying Reinhardt’s a victim, but I think if he has low range he ALSO needs to be powerful within his range. He’s not even really that as most tanks can go toe to toe with him up close AND manage him from range. Especially the new tanks.
I’m not saying he’s a “victim” by pointing out those obvious issues.
The reason is, unlike every other tank, he HAS to fight up close. Why shouldn’t he be incredible up close in that case? Lmao “no reason for his ult to have the range it has” as if he’s literally not allowed to have any range and also can’t be uniquely powerful within his range. Orisa can do what she pleases, but god forbid Reinhardt be good in his niche.
Besides, If his ult was worse and countered by a million things AND he had the least range and the most dangerous methods to engage with the enemy, why would you chose him over someone like Ram or Winston or Roadhog?
Most people would say “use your shield to walk up” as if your shield is some infinite health resource that won’t get shot down BY THE RANGE THE ENEMY HAS AND YOU DON’T. You guys are allergic to good balance, aren’t you? The mere idea of Reinhardt getting what he needs just makes people break out in hives.
Slow and freeze aren’t considered cc to overwatch, they’re debuffs. Suzu cleanses debuffs.
You can’t cleanse crowd control (like shatter - it never made sense that you could). If you could cleanse a cc ability or a “knockdown” you could theoretically cleanse Lucio’s boop
knockdowns/backs aren’t a debuff… suzu cleanses de-buffs
The game also doens’t tell you that Bob can go through Symm’s teleporter, that Mauga can place his ult over Lifeweaver’s petal, that Soldier can rocketjump with his missiles, that if Doomfist punches a charging Rein both get knocked down, that Sombra can hack Illari out of her ult, that Ball can sometimes boop people twice, that Winston’s bubble shield is spawned from an interactable object.
Figuring out interactions is part of the fun.