And yet Zenyatta has remained a support who can put out high damage, with almost no complaints from the community whatsoever.
Its almost as if its not a “Supports shouldnt be able to deal damage” issue, and more of a “Supports shouldnt take the role of DPS while also being able to function as a powerful healer as well”
Briggete could both heal like a slightly weaker lucio with an instant heal slapped on top that gives armor, stun tanks like mccree, but with no risk to herself ,grant utility through armor like torbjorn, without a limiting resource meter ,and could burst down targets in a meta where the only relevant form of damage is burst because she gives out armor like candy.
Zenyatta can do more damage than the average support, while compensating in the form of much weaker overall heals.
Where in Brigs kit did she have to compensate for her strengths? You can say range, but her kit has a shield that allows her to move in on most ranged characters without problem, and the game is mostly based around small close range fights around objectives like payloads and capture points
The whole idea that supports shouldnt DPS is a strawman to ignore blatant issues with characters like Briggete, who can force metas where large swathes of hero choices are made irrelevant due to her ability to do their job better and more. People are so scared of a type of gameplay only seen at the top coming back that they would rather have massive amounts of heroes be made unplayable due to overly oppressive characters.
We need more interactions like Zenyatta and less like Bridgette, Zenyatta can be weak to flankers, but he has the tools in his kit needed to force them to retreat or outright kill them, characters who push roles out the meta due to existing are unhealthy for the game.
Zen has the lowest healing ability and easiest support to kill, and has simply only has some dps to defend himself, now compare this to Moira or Brigitte who have brainless attacks
The only thing about the two is the survivability that they’re trading.
Brig has high sustain and could kill targets (or leave them barely alive). That was the bigger issue.
Zenyatta has high damage, but only shield HP to sustain himself. That’s his trade-off to why he can do high damage.
Sure, you can starve Brig from gaining health (been there a ton), but overall, she has tools to keep herself alive and hurt some things (which keeps her alive more).
Moira could be kinda counted in this as well, but Moira never really had a reliable combo that would nearly kill someone as a default of it being performed (only if they were being greedy).
the point is zen has a strong ultimate but you can make it uneffective by picking ana and using the nade skillful.
even if you only manage to nade 3 enemies and your team kills them its a won teamfight … people act like there is no counter play to zens “massive ultimate” …
She has a range of 6 meters.
She can’t use bash for mobility unless she doesn’t want to damage others.
Her damage is horrible over time, and quite bad in bursts.
Her healing is also really bad.
Her shield doesn’t cover her from splash damage, it’s only 500 health, it has a long recharge, etc.
Nobody has said this here. You’re trying to make the argument something that you can win.
Zen’s ultimate can counter other ultimates.
Other support ultimates cannot, or at least can’t to the same effect.
His ultimate also being counterable is an entirely different argument.
If your team is constantly being targeted by anti heals when using Transcendence, then you need to play better, but still is irrelevant to the fact that it counters things.
lol you literally saying he can do it EFFETIVELY … when you are good enough with ana you can shut him down… its not effective as you make it. it all depends on the people skills.
I get you want to ignore my argument altogether so you can call Zen a bad healer, but he’s not. Might as well call Ana a bad healer because Tracer can kill her.