Supports have never been more fun, why all the complaints?

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The old playstyle of holding the heal button whilst your team does the work is, admittedly, dead. But it’s been replaced by something better, a playstyle of comparative challenge to the other roles.

It’s now engaging, it’ll probably require some mechanical skill, your team mates won’t be there to cover all your mistakes anymore, and your skill is far more likely to affect the potential for a win more than it ever did in OW1.

Common complaints I’ve seen:

-I don’t want to play the weakest role!

It’s not the weakest role at all. That’s still dps, your healing and utility has never had this many opportunities to clutch engagements. You’re more crucial to the team than any singular dps will ever be.

-Mobility heroes will bully me :frowning:

Mobility heroes have been absolutely GUTTED by nerfs for OW2. Tracer is basically meme tier, Echo got sledgehammer nerfed, Genji remains easily dueled by most of the supports, Reaper lost all his OW1 dps buffs, Doomfist is now mechanically forced to move predictably and rely on a self slowing barrier that doesn’t block any support CC, and Winston/Dva can’t team up anymore.

-I don’t want to play Zen into mega-Sombra!

Well, this one is valid, new Sombra is probably the worst bit about OW2.

But other than Sombra concerns, it’s so much better, so much more engaging, so much more skill orientated, you just have to look past the fear of change, practice, and reject the urge to stagnate with the braindead gameplay that supporting in OW1 became.

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I think it’s mostly because Supports are expected to 1v1 DPS a lot more, but they don’t have the tools to reliably duel.

And the tricky part is how do devs make it so that they can defensively duel, without making support players want to go on the offense and forfeit their healing obligations.

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the only complaint i have as a support is that the colour scheme is very bad, everything is so bright and i honestly cant tell how low my teammates actually are.

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The DPS that might catch you in a 1v1 have been made much worse at dueling, so it’s not a problem I seem to encounter much.

There was a time period where everyone was just going in random directions in new maps in the new 5v5 format, where you’d be 1v1ing randoms non-stop, but I don’t think it’s the case much anymore.

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This isn’t the case at all

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Posts like these are irrelevant considering the Devs already said multiple times they are aware Supports need some help and are looking into buffing them/helping them out. Can we stop the spam please. That’s great that you’re having fun, doesn’t matter, the overall feedback from pros and players alike is the opposite and the Devs are already mobilizing on the matter.

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This is a forum for feedback, and I have posted a perspective.

I know blizzard will almost definitely mollycoddle supports to make sure that the mean damage players don’t make them upset, like they did with OW1.

But hey, here’s hoping they don’t make it too safety-rail focused again.

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Yeah cuz the overwhelming amount of both support and non-support pro players saying supp isn’t great all just wanna be coddled! You’re so right! Samito saying some supports need HP buffs is just him wanting them to be easy bc he loves easy supports :heart_eyes:

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Oh wow, man I can’t wait to join OWL so I can start caring what pros think. Or is he a streamer? I dunno. His word isn’t gospel.

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Well clearly something about OW2 Supports isn’t fun enough.

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Ayo what? Please tell me at least Brig isn’t on that list lmfao

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??? Moria damage orb, plus life steal, and ult has gotten loads of picks. I’m rarely more then 4 elims lower then the DPS, and I’m still out healing most of the time.

Ana can kill any squishy in three shots. or 2+nade. and sleep dart is still extremely potent.

Zen is mostly damage, but he is the one that basically requires peek performance.

Brig can do 150 damage burst combo, with either ability hitting easily forcing the likes of tracer to rewind in fear of any other damage source.

This isn’t even factoring elements like brigs armor allowing her to survive a hanzo headshot, their mobility and layered self healing. And the fact that anyone that isn’t a flanker, has to go through a tank and or a dps or two to properly duel you, and well it’s not hard to see where supports can be extremely good in a patch or two. (that the devs more or less confirmed was coming, with some tank changes for those that are struggling.

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ok.

give us tools that require mechanical skill on characters other than Ana and Zen (both bottom tier in OW2 so far because they are squishy)

boom, Supports are engaging. For now, the supports kinda just do their thing and hope that there’s tank diff in their favor

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It’s Samito. Of course not.

That said I could see Zen getting like +50 armor.

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This is a strawman that never existed in the way you present it and thus your entire thread is wrong and invalidated.

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They’re not fun if you want to zone out and hold m1.

The remaining OW players who play support are primarily that group.

OW2 is about appealing to action shooter players, for which we now have exciting supports to play as.

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actually, I have to do that MORE in OW2 than before

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Oh, I have the opposite take. In that they need to be more appealing to otherwise DPS/Tank players.

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Yeah, imagine telling Ana/Baptiste/Zen/Lucio players that made it to masters on live they just ‘heal bot’ people when the only way to climb with them is being aggressive and DPSing a lot as well.

So much so people were complaining about Baptistes damage, rofl.

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It’s not, I literally did that to climb high in t500 comp. It’s the best way to play support.

That was about when I realised that OW1 was a joke of a competitive game, which is why OW2 is now getting interesting.

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