Supports are not healbots and cant heal stupid

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as title , stop expecting healers to keep you alive when u go around corners into rooms out of los ,

supports are not heal bots they support , if that means i have to swap to bap or moira to kill/ harass the enemy team as our dps cant aim , cant do it then i will ,

if im spending 1/2 the match defending against tracer / sombra or a flanking cowboy then dont expect heal;s if you cant help and just press W all game

but i will not follow a tank or dps that overextends , especially when on defence ,

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thats always my re xD

i can heal stab wounds and gun shots , but i cant heal stupid

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u are soo ignorant . that was honestly painful to read

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Is it over extending or pushing up because as a support main i have seen a lot of new support players nto push up thinking the tanks over extending when if we wnet as a team like they though we would we could win. Also support players can be out of position and they are quite often just because you heal dont mena you desided what out of position or over extending

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For the love of god please edit this.

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Preach.

I give ample time to see if my dps or tank can understand priority focus fire.

If there’s a problem with a pharah, flanking tracer/sombra, sniping widow/Hanzo, uncontested Ana/zen, or diving doom/D.Va, my priority beyond surviving has also become- kill those problem heroes at all costs.

Kill the problem heroes then at least there a chance but healing stupid usually changes nothing.

Edit: And just so we are clear this doesn’t mean imma straight up ignore my team for healing but my priority definitely shifted.

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Why? It makes sense to me.

But if you wnmant a tldr support need to learn that over extending and pushing are not that same thing and support also need to learn they can be out of position just as much as everyone else

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“Healbot” carries as much meaning (which is “none”) as people who nowadays call everything “woke” to justify something that is standard and positive that they’re opposed to for personal reasons.

On a game like Overwatch, as a support, there are many things to be attentive to, calling a support healbot just because they’re able to provide a lot of healing is both biased and a fallacy (and it doesn’t exist).

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i main support always have , not my fault players choose dps and have potato aim and cant kill anything due to poor aim / positining ,

im not going to heal stupid out of position players and end up dead myself when i can heal the better positioned / better players which are easily identifed during any given match

my issue is with tanks that go into negative kill / death and then moan about healing ,

i dont blame everyone as i myself make mistakes during matches , but im sick of players blaming supports we get far too much of the blame in matches ,

no i know the difference between pushing up and overextending , a tank that dissapears to the other side of map when his team are clearly still fighting stragglers and down by one or two players , then dies and moans where was team and heals

you push up when u win team fights not when you have 2 or more missing team mates and enemy team still alive and fighting your team ,

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Tell me where the mean support touched you

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Do you play support a lot ? Do you know what it feels like to actually want to help a teammate (because most people play support just for that) but you just can’t, because if you do, you’re gonna die too. There’s a difference between following a push that has a chance of working, and diving in front of the enemy team to help a critical teammate that shouldn’t have been there in the 1st place. There’s a difference between someone not getting any heal because you, the support, are in “dps tunnel vision mode”, and someone not getting any heal because he’s staying behind a pillar or a wall, out of LOS, and in the middle of the enemy team. There’s a difference between staying in cover 100% of the time because you’re afraid of getting hit and don’t know how to play, and stupidly following a teammate that chose a bad position and asks for help. It’s not a question of “it takes too much skill & game sense to play aggressive and under pressure”, it’s a question of : is there any value in helping that teammate ? Will I just die and feed the enemy ? Do I even have a chance of saving my teammate in the first place ?
Overextending is a thing. It’s a very common thing. You cannot blame a support for not supporting your mistake. A support’s 1st priority is to stay alive. If you charge head first into the enemy, or if you can’t escape a dive or a flank because you misplayed, that’s not on the support to get you out of it (at least not if it means the support will die too).
EDIT : can you make mistakes as a support ? Absolutely. You can misread the situation. You can have bad positioning, bad priority, bad aiming (if you’re playing a support that requires you to), bad triage, etc… But is it always your fault if someone dies ? Nope, sorry.

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Letting overextending players die instead of risking myself to save them was one of the critical changes I made as a support player that saw me climb over 600SR in 2 days.

I’m happy to spend a lot of time healing. But no. If your tank is running off, overextending on his own, past enemy barriers or around corners it is not the responsibility of the support to split the red sea to save them. Call them back, if they don’t come back in time… They die and it’s their fault, and I hope they learn from it.

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I main support and can tell you in diamond alot of supports dont understand the difference

Depends whos alive because iccan tell you a beat shatter can win a 2v5 love doing it with my tank duo

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I’m a support main as well, 90% of the time I’m trying to heal, and said character runs from me, resulting usually in my death.
Look its simple, group up, come to your support for heals, because when they have to chase you they cant heal you.

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Sometimes following the dps works out though. Reaper flanking and I’m in mercy, aure letw damage boost you and kill the backline. You’d be surprised how often it works out. Some supports like zenyatta gain from standing in the back because his movement is non existent. But mercy and lifeweaver and kiriko can get away with going with flankers because they have last second escape tools. Supports don’t just have to stand in the back and play nurse. Act like others have to come to you for things to work out.

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The double standard of when to heal as support gets so tiring. If you try to focus on healing teammates out of position you get called a healbot and to “learn to play the game and stop expecting others to carry you”. But if you focus on making your own plays then the same players will immediately break down in chat over not being hard-pocketed. It gets even more egregious in cases where the complaining tank/DPS is genuinely just clueless as to what’s going on. Like when you spend a fight defending yourself from 2 flankers at once, only to get flamed by the tank who walked out of spawn when you were being dove, ignored you even though you were directly in front of him, and proceeded to hit nobody with his ult.

I’ve taken a break from support to play mainly DPS and it’s just so much more mentally relaxing. It’s really not as difficult as the anti-support brigade likes to think it is.

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I think I found the dps who wandered off and got themselves killed

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There is a fairly reliable set of standards I use to determine whether something is good aggression, or overpushing, and it isn’t about comfort level, which unfortunately, is too many peoples’ standard.

  1. Does the tank indicate that he is aware of where of the location of their team?

  2. Does the team indicate an awareness and concern for their position and how it relates to various avenues of being flanked or avoided?

  3. Is the team aware of the status of the objective, and a safe path to get there should the need arise?

  4. If a retreat is called for, does it require making yourself vulnerable to use?

  5. What are the relevant distances betwwe our team’s spawn point and theirs? (Most common flunkie mistakes in this regard are made in Dorado and Junkertown).

After all those options are rapidly processed in your mind, the next, very important question is “What action of mine will more likely lead to our team’s success?” This is the most crucial decision of all.

There are many times that it is far better to follow a team making mistakes than to spread it out standing for some abstract principle that you have no possibility of getting across to people who are clearly not going to follow them.

In other words, as a support, it is my responsibility to try to help whatever 4 potentially not so bright people succeed at their level, attention span, and ability. I don’t play a game where my goal is to call my teammates trash at the end, and cross my arms going “Im not playing if you don’t play my way” when they try something.

I’m kind of lucky I main Lucio in this regard, as I can support the aggressive team, and peel off and run back to spawn to speedboost the team if things go south.

If the overextension is really bad, it will be obvious that they don’t know about positioning, cornering, cover, etc…and a little cimment "If you use this corner, or high ground you will be able to be kept alive much better:.

Sometimes I get frustrated and do the stubborn support schtick, but that is on me for letting myself get there, not accepting that…sometimes you get shot in shooter games, and sometimes you lose.

Also…anyone standing on the point in Ilios Well telling people they are “overextending” by moving ahead…deserves the boop they are going to get.

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Agree.

Yes but that goes for every character.

Ya but i have seen alot of supports do that stop healing someone becuase they tried somthing and it didnt work.

Same love lucio hes may most played hero.
I also like you can fall back to pick up someone who just respawned to get them in the fight faster like a low moble hero.

Agreed

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Hmm sure. But sometimes the best thing to do if your team won’t turn around is to play closer to the team right? If a flanker wants to have a party in the back line, you bring the party to the rest of your team. They can ignore a flanker in the back harassing just you. But if they start buzzing around the entire team people usually deal with them.

Honestly one of my favorite things about Lifeweaver. Playing an off angle near my team with a pre-set platform. Flankers usually get thrown off when you escape onto it still and end up looking for a new target. Then you pull your second support along with you and now that annoying tracer is stuck on the ground.