Why are Support players so entitled to their picks even tho it is not compatible with the team-comp? You see Winston, the DPS usually go Echo/Genji/Sombra/Tracer and then what most Supp players do? Play Illari or some poor mobile supp. Are against a Dva? They will not swap their Ana/Bap even if all their healing is eaten. Is this some sort of “pride”? Its pretty obvious that you SHOULD base your picks on the Tank’s heroes, for maximum compatibility. Like see a Rein? Maybe a Lucio + Kiri/Ana, mobile comp? Mobile heroes.
It is often dropped on Tanks or some DPS the fault of losing games, but no one seems to care about poor Support picks. Like Mercy + Zen/LW (focused healing with no splash at all) and so go on. Hardscoping Anas, Mercy players who stopped everything to rez someone in the middle of a teamfight, redditlucios, Zennys that wont swap even if the Sombra/Tracer made their life miserable. What is happening now? This is the equivalent of Doomfist 1-Tricks, but worse.
In this game, meta picks are more viable than picking with their tank. Yes, they could go lucio brig against the dva, but ana and bap can still get value even against the dva (unless they are actually stupid supports then in that case theres nothign you can do except play bodyguard)
Honestly, my problem with supports is when they lock moira, because then I know we have already lost the game
I recently picked up support (Like this week) currently plat 2. Havnt played a lot of OW2 but tank is miserable and i play on like 30fps so dps isnt great for me. But i do believe this is somethign that support players do undervalue(and to some extent dps players but less so) is how strong swapping is for their role.
First for ranked / solo queue enviroment, I do believe that if you are a onetrick / have a limited hero pool it’s fine if you dont swap outside of it. I do it personally across the roles i’ve played but i still swap to efffectivley play within my hero pool (right now just lucio and brig).
Could be as above with limited hero pools or just not enjoying the other characters, which is fine in my opinion
I think from a swapping perspective for ranked / solo queue, swapping based on enemy composition is much better than swapping for your teams comp.
Example for my hero pool, if were playing brawl but we’re getting rolled by a hard dive comp i might swap off of lucio for brig.
Slightly nit picky but an illari can work with this team comp assuming she plays off angles well with the dps.
Also poor mobile supports can work really well in dive comps, Brig Ana being a clear example of it
Dva is not an insurmountable obstacle to Ana/bap at all but i get what you’re pitching. Every role is like this though. Mercy/LW is also serviceable. It’s not nearly as bad as mercy/lucio
ana bap is actually quite a viable support comp that works well in many comps (especially brawl and poke). Falls off quite a bit in dive but i would happily take ana bap over lucio mercy
This is not a role-specific thing. The tank went Winston and you saw the DPS go Genji or Tracer, but truth is that most of the time the tank could’ve gone Rein, Ram, Sigma, etc. and those DPS would still have gone Genji or Tracer.
I’d argue that dive might be the team comp that this duo is best with, at least over brawl
Brig and Ana both have very high range allowing them to support the rest of your team on their dives. The Brig also allows your ana to make more aggressive plays with both sleep and nade(though this is true regardless of the comps).
Why i say atleast over brawl is mostly due to Brig not being that great in satsifying what a brawl comp wants.
Long extended(relativley close range) teamfights where you use your resources to out sustain the enemies in a close range fight.
Brig’s main strenghts are protecting squishies and long range support with repair pack.
While a character such as lucio allows for a much better gap close potential to reduce the resource drain brawl comps can suffer while closing the gap.
And then with ana while she is good i simply think bap is better for brawl specifically
I’m pretty sure most of the time its not even because of the value of lamp/purple, but bc they insta-lock it. The 2 DPS and tank are ready, full synergy… Except the supps, who always chose to play on their own terms and barely on the team’s potential synergy.
Hey, at least these two characters have high damage output and high healing potential, you can healbot and snipe people down with these two. But if its obviously not working and they refuse to switch off, they are probably one tricks and are unwilling to be flexible. When i play support, I also lock ana or bap as well, but am willing to switch to brig if we get dived on or there is a sombra.
this is a self entitled opinion, you do not pay for my game, so i will play what i want, don’t like it? go find a stack and join them.
As a side note, just because you do not know how to play on a team with the support chosen does not mean they should swap, it means the TANK needs to learn different play styles for different comps.
Never once did i pocket a Mauga, i ran lucio, guess what… still winning…
Actually i PAID for Ow1 which got turned into this, and that is neither here nor there, no i do not throw, i will just keep playing my game to the best of my ability. i also don’t demand swaps because of my choice in pick, i will say “hey we could us X to counter” but will not throw if they choose otherwise because guess what? I did not pay for their game.