In the Bronze Division there are two major problems which hurt players. Smurfs and throwing games.
Smurfing isn’t a real problem, for me. While I appreciate that it is a problem for others, I’m not going to try and solve something that doesn’t bother me. I go into lots of detail in The Bronze Life on why I feel this way and I’m glad to chat in my stream about it.
Throwing games is a problem. It’s a problem when my teammates throw a game and it’s a problem when the other team has a player throwing the game. It’s a common occurrence that is well documented on The Bronze Life (my stream of all Season 20).
People who throw games are going to fall into one of two different buckets. Either you are a trying to grief or you are trying to lower your SR.
If you let people set their SR to 0, then the only people who throw games are people who are trying to grief. So, you effectively have eliminated a lot of games that are being thrown and you have enabled people (Smurfs) to more easily play the game the way that they want to play.
My desire is to reduce the number of people who are throwing games down to people who are just being bad actors. This will help the Bronze Community.
Thank you for reading, and if you want to find out more about The Bronze Life you should check out this video:
Raduk, The Bronze Sigma.
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If you were able to reset sr, there would be an even more smurf problem and the people who are actually bronze won’t be able to do anything.
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I respectfully disagree; based on my experience as a Bronze player.
A single Smurf rarely ruins a game. A single person throwing the game; yeah they can ruin it.
Most of us in Bronze belong in the 500-1000 place, while most of those who I’ve asked about Smurfing tell me that they are trying to lower their SR to be below 500.
Right now my SR is lowered by people throwing games far more often than some random team of Smurfs just destroying us. Often times, what people think are Smurfs, are just Bronze players having a good game. Or a silver/gold in the mix.
The other thing about my suggestion, it’s an simple change to directly address a major problem. Game throwing is far worse than Smurfing.
Raduk
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So that means you arent actually creating a solution, because your only concern is yourself.
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Ok, so it’s not going to be only 1 smurf per game. All the people that wanted to smurf to low bronze but it was way to hard, will now be able to. Which would make WAY more smurfs.
Hello Zence,
I find it best to solve one problem at a time. I find throwing games, to be a far greater problem than Smurfing. Is your experience different?
After we fix throwing games, then we can more easily work to fix the perceived problem with Smurfing. I stress that word, perceived. As one who is often accused of being a Smurf (which of course I am not) I think it’s more often just something people accuse others of than really being a thing.
Having a second account, is not the same as Smurfing. IMHO
Raduk
But imagine top 500 resetting their Sr to 0?
They’ll bully every bronze
And your ‘solution’ is to make smurfing a WAAAAY bigger problem.
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DragahnFire, that’s a slippery slope argument, which is a logical fallacy. I could easily say that it would balance Smurfing so that you ended up with 1-2 Smurfs on both teams. I often find that playing with better players, makes me better, because they teach me things that I can only learn by playing.
Here is an example:
not a good idea, they need to make hard lock at 500, so if youre 3000 rank, you can’t drop more than 2500…if youre 2500 you cant drop below 2000… etc. that would reduce throwers…
and each season sr needs to be reset.
SR changes have a good and a bad.
1 ) If everyone started at zero. It could take a VERY long time to climb OUT of that pool. This means that all of the good players would be holding people back. (I am NOT good at the game).
2 ) It would have its advantages because it would FORCE players to not leave matches, if they wanted to climb OUT of those ranks. The more time played in Competitive. The more points accumulated, which means that as a person progresses up. They do NOT want to be back “in that pool” of players.
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Help me understand why is it not a good idea. More Smurfs just means more likely that you will end up with one on your team and one on the enemy team. That’s balance.
Thus far, no one has presented a point that isn’t just a Slippery Slope argument.
Sounds great tbh.
It’s kind of a hassle to drop to low ranks.
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this goes beyond smurfing/throwing…do you have any idea what setting SR to 0 does to the matchmaker?? now picture everyone resetting every single time they dont get an SR they want…because you know thats exactly what would happen…
not to mention the astronomical increase in smurfs…like yeah you eliminate the need to throw games…but you also just sped up the griefing process ENORMOUSLY…
no…simply put…no
raduk u need to play more heroes not only sigma, thats why u are not climbing
What you are suggesting is making the job easier for those who want to throw down to 0 SR And smurf
maybe you are not affected by smurf, but surely you understand that if someone were to want to smurf they would just reset SR to 0 and then do it