Can’t even remotely imply someone needs to change up their tactics in a game no matter how gentle and like psychopaths teammates start throwing a tantrum and defelcting any kind of blame.
Random example…
“Supports can you position better so you dont die 5 seconds after spawn from the Widow who killed you 3 times already in the first 3 minutes of the match?”
Replied with *WHY DONT YOU TANK BETTER AND STOP US FROM DYING?!?"
*Me then in match chat: “Other team Widow can you please stop killing supports, they wanted me to try and stop you”.
*Support response - “L TANK EZ AVOID”
I’m amazed at how when I play tank especially and we’re getting smoked and I dare say anything at all to what we can change it’s automatically reflected back to me as the real problem for not being able to press a single button and solve every issue in the match.
If I dared switch to Winston to contend a Widow not only would I not be healed whatsoever in the dive of course but then it’d be my fault that I’m not “doing my job” because I’m not on the front line or running back to contest the Doom trying to toy with the backline. Literally cannot do anything to please anyone and its to the point where I think players are just looking at tanks to carry them and put zero effort into anything most of the time due to the perceived power creep tanks have been given.
Ok but how about you switch to Winston and deal with the Widow yourself? Or the DPS actually do something about the Widow?
Positioning isn’t gonna get rid of the Widow. Killing her is.
So you don’t bother changing because you’re afraid of being told you’re not doing your job by your teammates? While telling them they aren’t doing their jobs…
Geez you have an awful toxic idea of what helping your teammates should sound like.
Say something more like “hey guys use cover as much a possible because this widow is good and hard targeting our supports, if you want I can switch Winston to dive her but I’ll need focused heals while I’m in there, if any of the DPS can counter that might help too, let me know if y’all have any ideas or if there’s anything I can do to help.”
Did you miss the part where I explained what the typical response is when making the tank swap to contend a Widow?
Widow MIGHT die if they are that far out of position and their team isn’t paying attention, but what happens the majority of the time is regardless if my dive is successful or not, someone or two people on my team die during the time I’m not there in the front line, you know “doing my job” as a tank as the team would say, because I had to try and solve an issue better suited for a DPS response.
Ah yes because I didnt coat my suggestion to stop getting domed by widow in 20 layers of sugar and just used 5.
Easy answer. If they want me to deal with the widow. Go ball and just focus widow. It’s a bit of a throw but it’s not on you if the team asked you to deal with it.
Literally, most games I play vs a Widow end up being me counter sniping her or hunting her down on Moira. The same thing comes down to frontline strong comps. The answer really is dive. You don’t leave it up to one or two people to do the job, too much risk. The predominance of your team needs to answer the complications its facing…
Lol you can’t insult a teammate and then be upset when they insult you right back. Yes, the community is toxic, but it sounds like you’re contributing toxicity as well.
Winston is the best answer to a Widow… what is the point of asking your supports to position better if no one is dealing with the Widow? The Widow being uncontested is doing so much for their team and forcing your supports to hide constantly.
Maybe a good solution on paper, but it’s not a good solution if you want to keep the peace in a solo queue pub for the reasons I gave. People expect the tank to be smack in front of them at all times acting as a bulwark. I can’t tell you how many times I was flamed or seen people flame a tank because you dare push off to the side to contest a squishy and get them to move or kill them outright because that allows the other tank to push in to YOUR team unchecked. of course, no one knows how to run away and think they have to take every 1v1 that comes in front of them, so then of course it’s the tanks fault for not being dead center in front of the team to have prevented that.
lol
Technically yes only a tank can “protect” however a tank is not the only nor is it the best solution to a Widow counter in most cases. It SHOULD be up to the DPS to switch to something that can actually pressure the widow and use cover and angles to at the very least force her out of position and keep then on their toes. Sombra, Hanzo, Any hitscan, a Reaper even if the Widow is dumb and not using headphones. Hell even Kiriko with some kunai tosses since Widow is typically relatively still and ripe for a headshot or two.
But no force the tank to switch to Winston, lol good lord.
When you encounter people who can’t (or won’t) heed warnings, the best thing you can do is just stop trying to tell them. It is unlikely you will alter their behaviour in the space of a single game.
Just avoid them afterwards and move on.
Tank holds a lot of responsibility now there’s only one on each team. I think it’s unfair to put so much weight on a random player.
But they are right. Positioning won’t really help, they will either have to heal less and you will whine. Or they go out of their way to heal everyone and they’re dead. It’s on DPS and Tank to get rid of that Widow.
Not necessarily. That’s exactly how I sound when I’m… how to say it… amazed by my team’s talents. For example I had a team that made ZERO kills, while our party of two had some. I got a bit salty and wrote “I respect my team’s dedication to pacifist ideals” or something of sort.
I don’t deny that was a bit toxic, though. But at least it was somewhat original, I hope. And I’m sure that isn’t bannable.
Both are broken beyond reason, and not fun to interact with. Everyone thinks they know what’s best for the team, nobody wants to listen to each other, and they barely work as a team anyways.
Most toxic community in gaming. Hands down. How some of you people managed to out do Dota, League, CSGO, call of duty, battlefield, and Fortnite in the crappy community department is amazing.
Blizzard would rather we were mad at each other than mad at them.
Keep on being crappy to each other so this game dies please. Put all of us out of our misery.
