She is by far one of the best characters to be added into this game. She’s a support that takes skill to be truly useful outside of spamming heal. You’ve gotta land the headshots or at least consistent body shots. Making her feel clunkier to heal with is not the direction you need to go. If people are heal botting too much then you need to make dealing damage better or feel better. You could’ve increased kunai flight speed so that hitting headshots or body shots is easier without having to lead them so much. That is how you encourage people to use the Kunai to deal damage. Nerfing how quickly she can spam healing only makes healing with her feel worse and will force people to just play other healers. So if they want to continue heal botting they can play Ana or Mercy.
When you nerf the characters like her that take skill to actually be effective you just make the braindead characters that much more appealing. Then we end up with a meta where the only supports being used are Lucio and Mercy or Moira with some Ana in the mix.
No offense if you play either of them. I’m a Lucio main myself with Kiriko added in and I respect all Mercy mains because y’all have it rough.
If part of a hero’s kit is too strong, you nerf it. You don’t need to buff another part of their kit to make up for it.
So your idea to nerf Kiriko’s healing is to…
not nerf her healing… and buff her damage? Logic.
LOL. Nah. Kiriko is still the best support in the game next to Ana and a simple healing nerf isn’t gonna change that. This is just straight up delusion.
Zen’s discord got nerfed hard and no one seems to care despite him being the hardest support to play. There is nothing hard about Kiriko when you have quite literally everything in the game becides CC.
I’m hoping they do I just don’t want her to become a troll pick because of them nerfing the healing. Her damage is good when it hits but it takes so much skill to pull off consistently that I think the rest of her kit needs to stay solid as it has been. Suzu nerfs I understood and ultimate nerfs are kinda expected but the healing and damage I think are the two parts of her that shouldn’t be touched.
It’s actually quite easy with practice, and especially easy for people who extensively played Zenyatta in OW1. It’s the same travel speed as Zen orbs but with a larger hitbox and slower rate of fire.
Okay but they didn’t even nerf the healing and you can’t punish people for playing the healing role for doing just that. Just because you make it take longer to use it doesn’t mean they’re not going to continue to spam healing. You want them to deal damage so make doing that better. The only reason people are even complaining about it is because of Hog and Orisa and maybe Sigma. They’re gonna keep spam healing because hitting Kunai is too hard for some and she has healing on par with or slightly better than Mercy so that spam healing isn’t gonna change anything.
Also nobody really cares about Zen and discord orb getting nerfed is fine because its a damage buff to an entire team that lasts forever unless Zen dies or switches the target or loses line of sight so yeah that makes sense it got nerfed. Kiriko isnt doing that nor is she healing the entire team enough so that nobody dies.
Best offensive ult I’ll give you that. Bogus healing numbers I’m gonna say no. From everything I’ve seen her healing is around the same as Ana and Mercy so I’d not say that.
The goal wasn’t to stop spam healing… it was to reduce it.
Her damage is already insanely high for someone who has anti CC, mobility through walls, a tiny hitbox, wall climb and invulnerability.
Dude you have completely missed the point of this nerf.
And there you go. You only care about Kiriko and once she’s not number 1 support anymore it means the devs hate her.
You mean the hero with a massive hitbox, no mobility and no cc? Yeah unless he dies which is almost all game. Of course though you only play hypermobility supports obviously.
Kiriko has an insanely high healing output… why are you pretending like her healing is terrible.
Suzu still needs nerfs imo, dont even start with the support victim stuff, supports have enough impact, they just lack options and are not as fun to play, i play mainly support.
The point is people aren’t going to change the way they play her just because they want to make spam healing less appealing. I assume you mean reduce the effectiveness of spam healing but It’s only going to heighten the feeling of i gotta get this guy healed up quick because it takes longer to do just that. I never said her healing was bad either. The point is they want people to do more damage so make that easier by making her projectiles faster and that could work because getting kills is what people want to do and if they land more kunai then there will be more kills had. Some people might just say whatever and not play her or support at all. Also yeah I play mobility supports because who wants to sit and be free pickings for Genji?? I’ve been a Lucio main since release and that’s never changing. Ana is the one exception to my mobility picks, but Zen is way too easy to kill like you said. He’s the last support I’ll pick for anything unless I specifically think we need discord orb.
How would you nerf suzu without completely gutting it?
Cleanse as an ability is extremely niche. Only about 10 heroes even have things that can be cleansed. It needs an additional effect and it needs to be powerful enough where she needs to be able to make a decision to use it for something other than cleansing.
Please do not suggest just giving it healing. That is so boring and makes it anti-nade but worse.
And that’s not what the devs want. They just want to make spam healing less spam. They aren’t trying to get people to stop spam healing.
They nerfed her because they said her healing is too strong. Why would they buff her damage in order to reduce her healing? I’m not sure if you understand this, but when a hero is too strong you don’t fix this by BUFFING another part of their kit.
And yet you still think Kiriko doesn’t deserve nerfs.
Her being one of the best designed heros in the game doesn’t mean she’s currently balanced. Despite her having skill shot damage and semi skill shot ability of Suzu that doesn’t take away that the optimal way to play her is to heal bot with her in order to toss out her ultimate which is arguably still too strong.
The nerf does literally nothing if you’re playing her optimally. The notes specifically state this delay gives you time to weave in your Kunai while the ofuda reloads. This is something good Kiriko players were already doing. It’s a do nothing nerf.
Heal botting is done because healing is the fastest way to get her ultimate. Not only would they have to drastically change how Kunai works to make people focus it more but it would more than likely make her damage too easy to obtain and thus remove most of it’s skill shot nature.
That doesn’t change anything for her in terms of balance which is the current issue.
You literally just don’t know how to play her.
They would have to dumpster Kiriko to remove her near 100% pick rate. That’s never going to happen. It’s far more likely one of the two up coming supports power creeps her.
I think you missed the part where they said part of the reason for the nerf was so that she would have more time to use her Kunai between her healing.
Also you’ve apparently had your head in the sand with their balancing of Sojourn. Every single time they have nerfed her, she’s gotten some kind of compensatory buff.
I’m complaining about the nerf but I don’t heal bot with her though I see why you’d think that but I chase kills with her which sometimes loses team fights if I don’t pay attention to low health teammates but i get annoyed with people not killing people out of position. I agree with your points though. My stance is mostly based on my own play I see mostly Ana + lucio and moira or mercy being played when it comes to support. So that’s why I’m on about the nerf. I know in owl she’s a must pick but we’re not really playing the same game as them.