Stop giving generic guns to all heroes

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Ow1
Weapons defined the heroes and were unique to them.

Zen balls
widow sniper
hansbow
tracer pistols
cree canon
junk bomb
winton tesla
Rein hammer
Mei icicle
Moira hands
Lucio speaker
Genji shuriken
Doom :fist:
Mercy staff beam
Sym noodles

Ow2
Only 4 heroes have unique weapons
Kiri kunai
Ram staff
Lifeweaver thorns flowers
Venture drill

Rest
Illari gun
Soj gun
Jq gun
Mooga gun
Juno gun

Phreak looks again like a gun hero.

It’s not even them being gun but they feel to generic.

Can we get intresting cool weapons.

People keep harping hero design but blizzard needs to look at weapon design, your primary that you gonna keep using and seeing.

Phreak looks like another gun dude

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I agree. The drill is the whole reason I started practicing Venture. Bap made me fall asleep even though I was actually decent with him.

Lets make it simple

Blizzard it’s a future game with superheroes and cyborgs and primates. Nobody wants to shoot an ak 47

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Generic guns?

Is generic gun

Is gun

Is literally a cowboy revolver, about as generic gun as possible.

Is gun (only the bullet is ice :exploding_head:)

Is gun (only the bullet is sound)

It’s not the weapons that make the character it’s the abilities and how they work together.

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We need a hero that throws bananas or kangaroos. Maybe penguins.

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Mama hong can throw slippers at you. I say we start there and see where life takes us

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What I mean is these weapons were unique and formed the identity of these heroes in this game mainly.

Widow sniper is obviously generic but also absolutely defines her one shot.

Tracer is probably less defined than others due to her abilities being more prominent to her identity but still its her total kill potential and unique in its performance.

Cassidy hand canon while generic is again well designed and unique and not copied.

Now you are being disingenous mei freeze gun was cool and unique and was a primary part of what defined her.

Just because something is moving and hits you it doesn’t become gun.

Again nope he has a speaker that produces soundwaves to dmg and sometimes take people out of map.

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Illari is certainly basic, but as for the rest?

Sojourn’s railgun shot and the way it makes her gun function as a whole is very unique and interesting to look at. The shot is a turquoise color, that’s pretty interesting to me.

Junker Queen’s gun is basic, but she makes up for that with the magnetic knife she throws as well as the magnetic axe during her ult. Definitely pretty unique.

Mauga is great in the design. It may be basic, but huge dual chain guns aren’t sonething we’ve had. Hammond has similar guns, but they don’t give nearly the same vibe. Bastion is the most similar, but is also more basic than Mauga especially with the whole fire and crit mechanic.

And the Juno is pretty basic. The little face on her gun is fun though, changing for friendly and enemy targets.

As for Hazard? Too early to say, but his gun certainly has a unique design. Looks similar to Orisa’s, but is pretty flat instead of large, I’m interested to see what exactly it does.

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What I meant was that Mei and lucios weapons function like any other gun but is the theming and abilities that make them unique Lucio is unique because he is fast and can run on walls with a knockback that conserves his momentum so things move further if he is going faster IE the way his abilities flow together is why he is unique the gun is an afterthought added because the game is an FPS, same with Mei her gun is just a regular gun until you theme it with the rest of her kit, she uses ice abilities so the gun complements this by shooting ice, that can slow people.

Again it’s the abilities that define the character, not the gun.

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All of the weapons in the game are unique from each other pretty much when you look at their individual properties.

As they add more and more heroes the easy trops have been used and you need to make variations. We have multiple different shot gun spread, pattern, fire rates, and travel time heroes.

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I mean… it’s a giant … claw gun that appears to shoot purple gunk that makes boulders.

I wouldn’t dismiss him as “gun guy” just yet.

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cant believe you didnt mention the giant hampter ball that hurts a lot, goes pew pew, and poops out mines

:point_up::hamster::sweat_drops:

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I still want my flamethrower support.

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Soj would have been good if it was a proper rail gun that pierced and packed a punch.

By now it’s diluted too much with too many stuff like diruptor and primary taking too much allowance.

Like the amount of times you use rail is way limited the actual fun part of the weapon.

Most of the time its just r301

Same issue as soj we are limiting the fun part to cds

See hansbow he can fire whenever he wants , see zen he will Chuck balls when he wants

Fun part should be the weapon primary

He is basically bastion but double

Orissa is pretty much similar just less dmg and projectile.

He could be fun is they gave atleast more importance to aiming with each gun at range etc and had recoil heating at short range .

It just feels too meh.

Ya her fun comes mostly from movement.

I just want more well designed weapons that give identity to the user rather ya i picked this gun.

They could have actually given juno some sort of space blaster like storm troopers etc.

It’s orissa’s arm that got clawed off unsee that :triumph:

It’s like how soj illari both use zarya gun models.

Juno is basically dva pistol :gun: with bap firing

They feel samey and too gunny.

I’m 90% sure that rock stuff is on cd and main just shoots projectile shot gun or something.

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You made me slow down the movie to watch… and… yknow what I see now?

It’s a fusion cannon from DVas mech… AND HE HAS THE SAME PROPORTIONS AS TOKKI.

I CANNOT UNSEE FLESH TOKKI NOW.

I dunno man… Big gun doesn’t = same gun. Sword gun especially is NOT zarya thing. It shares some design philosophies (glowy core, beam, morphy barrel) but isn’t … even really model similar.

THey’re pistol style, that’s about it. It’s a classic spaceman ray gun though. Atomic punk style.

… what would it take not to be gunny? Especially when you are ok with some actual guns?

So… it likely is a cooldown cause just making terrain out of nowhere has always been that. But aside from … who… Rein? Maybe Zarya. Every other tank has just gun mechanics.

It’s all super subjective of course, but like… how many forms can a projectile barfing thing have? Are you ok if things maintain functionality but are just skinned different?

A precision weapon like an AK but it’s an alien frog that spits death wasps stinger first into people?

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Cause I’m a sniper I use sniper , im cowboy I use revolver, I’m a soldier I use rifle is different from I’m a sun warrior I shoot gun, I’m soldier’senior so I use another gun.

It’s too gunny.

I want to see new stuff. You can say juno is space pistol but it doesn’t feel like one it’s like dva pistol with extended bap primary.

Like mainly I want weapons to feel about the hero like zen balls , that whole mechanism were everything about him is tied to his balls.
:stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

See for mei almost everything is about her freeze gun, it freezes people, makes walls shoots etc

Like to be exact that cohesiveness to their weapon identity.

Like there should be a emotional connect of the hero with their tools.

Bap soj illari juno won’t cry if you take their guns and Chuck it away and give them something else.

Try prying freeze gun out of meis hand, she will cry :cry: if you do that it’s her life tool.

Hanzo says he will break his bow before dying so others don’t use it .

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It really really isn’t. I use her a lot and I also used bap a lot. Their fire is much different. If it’s similar to anyone it’s similar to Tracers fire when you burst it. The similarity is that it forces bursts.

They would be severely less effective without them and their identity as soldiers or a “spaceman” would be crippled (seriously look up Atom Punk Aesthetic for juno, it’s very much her inspiration)

I don’t think one person is out of theme for their concept yet though.

This is totally a personal argument however, so I cannot just go “you’re wrong”. It’s subjective.

But I can suggest you look into the character theme inspirations and themes before just dismissing half the cast as being “gun”.

That and we dunno new guys deal beyond purple gunk yet… so … give it a sec. 2 days we’ll find out.

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It’s not like tracer , tracer doesn’t keep shooting if you tap click like bap or juno.

Tracer gun is full control.

It can be replaced and they wouldn’t care as long as replacement is effective.

Probably :thinking: ya

What lore does zen even have and he still is cohesive and tied into his weapon.
I have never read any design blogs on him.

Like i play them i should feel it.

With venture you can see it everything is about their drill.

You simply don’t have that with others I said.

They need to have proper weapons that work for the hero with primary being the dopamine and tying to the kit.

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To be fair… i did acknowledge the actual fire burst was the similar thing.

Baptiste is lore tied into his gun. He stole the tech. As I said earlier it sounds like you don’t care about the mechanic, just the skin it’s wearing. If everything about Sojourn shot out of her arm itself, that would be fine?

Zen is a monk. Buddhist monks, which he is based on, have prayer beads. Sometimes large ones. Hence the balls.


looks familiar?

The former soldiers having guns works pretty good for me.

Reaper just has guns, single hand wielded shotguns (which is crazy impractical btw)… why is that ok? Functionally it might as well be a large mag single gun though.

I dunno… your premise just seems like dissing some things you don’t enjoy for super arbitrary reasons.

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I do which is the whole point, juno is like bap primary, illari what about that gun makes you think she is a sun child.

With zen it’s his balls with meinuts her freeze gun.

What do you call baps gun?

What do you call illari 's

They are replaceable I can give p90 to all of them and there won’t be difference.

Welp i wouldn’t have guessed if i didn’t read those design documents that he lives in Nepal and is from shambali monastery, taught genji, speaks with iris believes in mystism , throws balls for everything etc

Anyone can see the difference between something tied up with a hero and replaceable on the hero.

You literally can’t beleive hansbow and baps p90 are the same.

See even right there zen I’m a monk I use beads heal people and destroy people.

Illari I’m a ra ra sun child but I just use zaryas gun with soj rail shots for dmg.

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I mean… that’s sombra.

It’s more a Mac10 but same functionality.

Bap not lobbing healing nades and instead having close range high rate of fire bullets would be a very different character? His primary fire balances the other things he does.

He wears monk robes, strikes a meditative pose, has forehead “scars” similar to shaolin monks… … I don’t wanna be mean but it wasn’t hard to make that link with some side reading/travel.

… what?

He could have had no beads and simply shoot Ki bolts and mark people with “chakras” to heal/harm them. The thing is his beads do fit the same way the former mercenaries/soldiers fit with using guns.

it’s a big gun with a central “orb” energy point which is about where the similarity ends. Would you rather she just channel her stuff out her hands cause she’s a sun child? Like Echo fingers (who you also left out) ?

I’m just not seeing this epidemic of “gun” or problem with weapons not fitting you are.