Has anyone been defending the company? Haven’t seen any on that.
It’s a disgrace comparing a game to what happened over here in Germany.
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comparing 1940s germany to overwatch is kind of retarded in itself. still i can see peoples frustration. i dont share in it since i probably would have never played that mode seriously anyways. im more interested in the cinematics/lore story part
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but you don’t get to make up facts. And a lot of the shills are just making things up, and then defending that position.
Facts are facts, and words have meaning and definition.
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Wtf lol this took a wild and yet unsurprising turn
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Right, great comparison. Your dramatic responses will continue to take you very far.
Best to you
You are right, and a lot of folks on the other side of the argument are just dumping emotional theatrics based on the way they feel about it.
Both extremes are incorrect - but those who have the most balanced ideals are taking action. Either playing a game they like, or not playing it and not interacting on a blizzard forum.
interacting on the blizzard forum is the literal only way to communicate frustration. Send a ticket into the Customer Service section, and they tell you to come here. You would have people shut up and move on, rahter than try to voice displeasure in the hopes of change? HOw does ANYTHING ever get better anywhere if people are not allowed to voice their displeasure. In politics we voice our displeasure with votes and protest… this is no different, it’s just holding the feet of a corporation to the fire over promises they made, products they took away that we paid for, and treatment of their workforce.
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The devs are mostly neutral in these debates, it’s only a job to them. They don’t genuinely care about the company or its customers - that isn’t the workers’ business. However, trying to depict them as angels in shackles is a far cry from the truth. They are telling lies when they speak publicly so you can guess which side they are leaning when they have to make a choice.
Their jobs and careers are less rocky when a project is successful but that’s only a partial alignment with the goals and desires of a player base. In a way OW2 can also be considered a “success” because they could extract some money from the ashes of an old project with minimal effort - it’s a matter of perspective. It’s possible to make OW2 look good on a game dev CV.
I mean ok - you do you. The folks I play(ed) with that are really upset won’t use Blizzard forums or anything activision/blizzard until they see something they like from them. They seem to take their discussion to Reddit as they don’t believe talking with Blizzard on a Blizzard network is useful or appropriate.
The rest just say they are fine with the game and happy to play for free and not spend money on anything. That’s the approach I’m taking personally - I love the game and they don’t put out things I want to buy, their free stuff gives me everything I want. I hope the people that are upset find some peace, but I would not expect to find it with a corporations business practices.
I’m going to assume you’re young, and not yet learned how to stand up for yourself and your beliefs. Best of luck to you as well. When the time comes, please stand up for yourself, and don’t let corporations, or anyone else for that matter, get away with nonsense. Just because it isn’t affecting you, doesn’t mean it should be ignored. That’s how TRUE atrocity happens.
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I’m neither young nor incapable of standing up for myself. Just because someone does not agree with you and the way you want to believe things does not mean they don’t have a position. It can simply be they do not feel invested in said argument.
Here are wise words for you, since you may be young yourself. Don’t advise people who are not asking for it - it’s both condescending and presumptuous. Instead, read the room and realize when someone is simply less invested in the emotional aspects of an issue as you may be.
And yeah, I’m breaking my own rule by offering you unasked for advise, but to be fair, you have it coming.
OW2 was set up to fail when Jeff was in charge. He pushed for the sequel instead of supporting a successful game. Bobby ensured this failure by not expanding the dev team’s resources. Aaron is the messenger, being put in a position to fail. Either kill the game’s future with death news at launch (which Bobby likely wouldn’t allow), or lie by omission to fund the game’s future. A difficult call, one I disagree with, but one I can understand at least.
I’m frustrated, I’m angry, but I’m more astonished it collapsed so badly.
Now, we’re left with the remains of a ruined product. The PvE is cut back, but I’m still hesitant to say their years of work has completely gone to waste. Much was undoubtably wasted, I feel we’ve known that since Covid. But we still need to actually see the PvE product. And yes, I still consider the story missions a PvE product.
The OW PvE we’re getting is akin to the L4D PvE. No level ups, no talents. The only progression is gascans/ultimates, and the replay-ability is in tier2s/heroes. If L4D’s campaign classifies as PvE, then so should OW’s.
Doesn’t mean it will be good, doesn’t mean it will be bad. The community is prone to overreacting, and I just need to see the actual product, the price, and compare it to the time.
Until then, I’ll be playing different games.
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I can’t relate to your frustration, but I really appreciate the sensibility in your take. It’s more rational than a lot of the radical viewpoints I am reading on this subject.
You can lead the shills to water but you can’t force them not to shill.
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Nobody has to defend it, the reality is what it is and no amount of complaining is ever going to change that.
Remember how we all collectively meme’d on diablo immortal all those years ago? That game is a success story that motivated the changes in direction with OW2. It makes so much money DAILY that it made the people upstairs wonder why they’re investing so much money in a project, that won’t come close to the profits diablo immortal was making already, at significantly less cost to them. We laughed at and mocked that poor fool and his stupid phone joke when they first debuted Diablo Immortal. Who’s laughing now?
Long story short, friends, we got olde. The world changed. The way of doing things from our time is dead and gone. We may still relish those experiences here in the US, or the EU and anglosphere, but guess what? The emerging markets, with greater populations than all of the aforementioned combined, took to the new way of doing things.
The future is for gacha addicts, microtransactions, and live service battlepass models. The new generations outweighed us and they’re the ones getting catered to because thats where the lion’s share of the money is. GG. Our past is dead, we’re relics with higher standards that don’t translate into profit for companies. We lost.
This is less directed at your comment, but just in general - what is with people throwing around the word shill to everyone who defends blizzard? I mean it seems unlikely to me that everyone defending blizzard is a shareholder or content creator, so how are they profiting from their opinion? You can say ignorant, evil, stupid - but shill? What do they have to gain from that viewpoint?
i’m sorry, but cancelling a game’s whole selling point AFTER they’ve dangled it to justify predatory mtx is more than one step too far. Especially when you discover they’ve cancelled it even before the game released.
defending blizzard at this point is willful ignorance, people can blather on how “they don’t care for pve” but sooner or later blizzard is gonna screw you over as well
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Sure, I’m game for ignorance. I just don’t get the “shill” comment, unless your a shareholder or content creator.
Not true one bit there no ignorance in the fact that they knew before ow2 launch they cancled the hero mode without saying anything and lead ppl for a year give or take witch is a huge scam
Ppl that are deffending this stuff are addicts no diffrent the ppl from diablo immortal spending in the 6 figure rationalising there addition when the company lies and does objectively bad deal
It’s true that a lot of ppl are emotional but 'et’s not kid ourself here there’s emotion from the ppl that keep suporting too it’s a mix of copium with pure addition
Nothing to do with believes