Look, Rein is obviously, badly overpowered. Stop trying to prevent necessary nerfs, even if you like Reinhardt.
People hate obligatory heroes, and the more and longer they’re obligatory the more hate they get. It doesn’t matter how well liked they are at the beginning - Mercy and Dva are huge fan favorites, but they eventually got such extreme hate they were gutted and left for years.
It is better for everyone, including Rein players and fans, if he gets reasonable nerfs now instead of staying obligatory until he’s hated and sledgehammer nerfed down the road.
We also lost tons of supports in Moth meta. People just give up and quit the game. We risk losing all the tank players who like any other tank, or get tired of Reinhardt, the longer this goes on.
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The current method from Blizzard is to leave a hero “obligatory” for a certain amount of time, and then super nerf them until the next hero on the list becomes obligatory.
Why do you want them to continue down the same untenable path?
The second Reinhardt gets nerfed, he will just be replaced. I find the largest difference, between then and now, is how fast a hero starts to be hated.
Says you.
I am glad you recognize this, but I think you are wrong about why it happened. That doesn’t mean I am right, I just think your take on it is the exact opposite from the reality.
If Blizzard keeps down the path they are on, changing Reinhardt won’t make a difference, it will happen anyway.
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Yeah, because of all those nerfs Winston never got.
Winston is much better now than he was in his own meta and he isn’t even close to keeping up with Reinhardt.
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You know how tracer went from super great to super bad without any changes…
Counters, it’s just about counters.
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I mean, they can buff other tanks too. I want Rein to not be obligatory. But I really do think he’s overpowered.
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Just because you personally don’t like Rein, doesn’t mean everyone else in this game doesn’t.
That being said, if you think Rein is OP (from your posts over last week), why don’t you just abuse him to reach OWL? I heard Outlaws could use a main tank.
I haven’t said this one before, but if you are playing in anywhere below diamond, you’ll have 0 problem playing against a Rein. Just because you are unable to punish bad Reinhardt plays doesn’t mean people in higher tiers have same difficulties.
A hero’s pickrate isn’t the most obvious factor when it comes to balancing. Otherwise, Mei wouldn’t need nerfs, Moira wouldn’t get healing nerfs or best one, Baptiste.
Instead of asking mindless Rein nerfs, ask for suggestions on how to improve other main tanks. During dive era, Rein was bad even with his buffs.
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Agreed, I’d much prefer a meta where we see close to equal amounts of every main tank
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I would rather see Rein than Orisa/Sig plugging up a choke with that barrier breaking mini game.
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Yeah, and I hate that and want them to knock it off. I want moderate nerfs for Rein now, avoiding both the obligatory phase and the throw pick phase.
Reinhardt goes down to 30% steadfast, other tanks get buffed. I want that to happen
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I will defend only fun to play tank that is still usefull 
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I love the double standard for Reinhardt versus any other character in the game in response to every one of these threads.
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I always thought Mercy has really bad skill transitions to other heroes. For example, you can play Zen and your skills will transfer to someone like Ana or Baptiste. Or Lucio and Genji.
We lost support mains due to that i believe. They simply could not transfer their skills over.
A lot of tank players hate playing Reinharst. He’s like Mercy - you either love him or you hate him, and a lot of people hate him.
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“Reinhardt is fair because I win when his shield goes down. He can’t shoot with his shield up and that’s fair because reasons. Rein is fun because my big brain high IQ can play mind games and that’s fun for the 4th year in a row. We can’t buff other tanks because I can’t win for free f you break their shield. His pickrate is ok because of all these reasons I listed above. You cannot argue against this because you’re not GM.” -
-Signed a dedicated member of the forum Rein Defense force
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A lot of tank players like to play rein
See, i can say that too. There is no stat to say who is right but you try to speak for people you dont know.
I hate when people do that, especialy streamers or pros, but players also
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Winston is a hero stuck in the old days of overwatch. The DPS buffs designed to counter goats didn’t just deal with goats better, they countered EVERY tank better, and he’s one of the few tanks that didn’t get buffed to deal with damage creep.
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People say the community is biased towards Rein but its been a long time since i’ve seen people tell a hero’s mains to shut up so much.
Ya’ll who think Rein needs nerfs always be discrediting people who disagree like we can’t think for ourselves.
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Oh yea, thats why i was saying in other topics that we should go back to the balance from before they tryed to get rid of goats, at least in experimental
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