Just stop. The game gets better the more you nerf. Sigma/Ball/Hog are op so you buff rein/dva why? Why not nerf sigma/ball/hog.
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People constantly trot out double barrier as a boogeyman, so please don’t nerf Hog and WB. Thanks for listening.
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It’s because they’re afraid to nerf the damage more. Nerfing hog and sigma will just make them trash too.
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Imo they are not op…
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Roadhog is fine…
and why does he suddenly need nerfs…
because he can potential “oneshot”? then nerf widowmaker aswell…
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Buffing Rein doesn’t even do anything. He still gets wrecked by the HS+hogs/sigmas everywhere. Really really strange thing to do.
You really want 20 minutes dps queues don’t you?
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Well lucky for you they’re done with patches for the year I believe.
They really do need changes. They seriously do, but like Blizzard, I have no idea what to do with them.
You’re right about one thing op, the game does get better the more they nerf stuff.
It’s not that simple. Sigma is OP. Ball and Hog are actually balanced. Rein was probably fine, but D.Va was UP and actually needed a buff.
That said, damage is currently OP. There’s been power creep on Soldier, McCree, and others. That’s why you see the Reinhart buff. He’s dying too quickly for a tank. So, you either need to buff him (at least his armor) or you need to start nerfing DPS heroes again.
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I agree with you but you do realize that soldier’s damage was nerfed when his gun got the recoil nerf/buff. Technically a soldier pre nerf/buff was doing more damage than live soldier, plus his ult was stronger and he got ult charge faster. Soldier got a buff in accuracy but lost power all over his kit in exchange.
It really depends on how good you were before. People who were really good at controlling his burst fire and not missing, you’re absolutely right. But for people like me who are better at tracking aim, I am doing much more damage with soldier now because it’s easier for me to hit my shots now
Yeah i could see that but even the shots you do land now do less damage. In my personal experience the change gave him a very very small dps edge, less than 5%. Targets at longer ranges will be missed more than before and fall off will hurt his longer ranged damage badly combined with the damage per bullet nerf. I don’t think soldier is power creeped, heck I don’t think the changes made soldier any better overall, he only feels better for some players to play. He always had the damage, people just didn’t play him. Now they do, now that he’s had a little attention.
All in all the change did help people that were bad with s76 pre-changes to pick him up and do damage, so really the changes only lowered his skill floor, but didn’t change his ceiling at all.
It’s basically this. It made him more accessible. And in lower level play he’s much more consistent than before. But that’s also just talking about his most recent changes. He’s still got a faster helix rocket cool down.
That said, if you go back to the previous patch (pre-super rein) you can legitimately say that every tank but Winston was weaker now than they were at the end of year one or their launch in the case of later heroes. There’s been an overall net nerfing of tanks since 2017.
It’s really sad too. Playing tank, particularly shield tank, was alot of fun at the beginning of this year. Now…I wouldn’t dream of queuing tank, like it’s not even a possibility at this point.
I’ll really miss those Orisa games.
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Lol ok and why is he OP? If you stand directly in front of him shooting then sure he will eat up and block all your bullets, but I’ve 1v1’d many Sigmas with Brig because he can’t stop things such as melee and splash and laser damage go through his absorb thing simply going around his sheild forces him to reposition it which has a one second cooldown after recalling it which gives you a second of free fire on him.
however if you’re going to argue that he’s overpowered in a team situation when using conjunction with such a teammates then sure you can say he’s a bit stronger if you place him in an advantageos environment but you also have the option to coordinate your teammates to counter, and believe me there’s a counter to most anything in this game.
there may be a few characters who are bad against Sigma but every character has characters that they counter and get hard countered by. So taking all this into consideration what makes you say that Sigma is OP?
We’ll, he’s the Brig of tanks. It’s his design in general. He does a lot for the team while also being one of the hardest tanks to take down. He’s a great solo tank and really enables Orisa who kinda sucks without Sigma now.
Being OP doesn’t mean that you have no counters or that you can’t lose a 1 v 1 against a hero that specifically avoids your strengths. It just means that overall you are better than other options and those other options aren’t underpowered.
Sigma is clearly the best tank who enables the other high tier comps (Sigma / Hog, Sigma / Ball, Sigma / Orisa). So, either he’s OP or most other tanks are UP.
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If you only go the nerf route you end up with heroes like Symmetra and old Torbjorn. Heroes that can never escape being terrible because no amounts of nerfs fix there problems. If we think of balance as on a sliding scale of op to up with being balanced in the middle. Just how much do we have to destroy to try to forcibly center a character without actually touching the hero? Because its not free to move the slider towards more balanced with changes to other heroes. As that likely messes up their own individual slider of balanced or not. You have to have freedom to move it both ways with any hero. The idea that nerfs only can fix things is absurd.
I will agree that he is the brig of tanks, they share a certain vibe. Any tank does a lot for the team so I don’t see how it’s much of an argument. Anyone can enable anyone, and wether one hero enables another hero better happens all across the board, mercy enables Pharah, sheilds enable bastion, lucio, Zarya, mei enable rein, Anna enables Genji.
Sigma is supposed to be good at something right? Every character is good at something that’s the point, and like you said he’s a good solo tank just like roadhog is a good solo tank. There’s a one caveat however when you’re a good solo tank and that’s the solo aspect in a team game. Realistically Sigma by himself is not going to hold a choke against any competent team he needs either a Rein or Orissa to hold it, and this is where Larissa is actually better at holding the choke because she provides constant suppressive fire unlike Sigma, therefore the rest of his tankiness requires his threatening presence like road hog.
I don’t know why people think you can a team comp problem can be justified to mess with one character because equally you could instead mess with another character, That’s like me blaming all the world’s problems on you because You slightly participate in it s erroneous ways (though this examples is a bit exaggerated it highlights the point).
sigma’s not the best option I know this because I’m constantly switching off of Sigma as much as I like playing him a lot of times I find Orisa to be the better move because of her suppressive fire or Zarya because she bubbles other people or Winston because he can dive or Roadhog because he can just one shot and secure kill or Rein because he’s a great shield by himself and better as close quarters then Sigma will ever be, or Ball because he has boop and way better mobility and could harass people.
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buffed brig
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