Title says it all
Feel my Rage!!
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How is the matchmaker supposed to know someone is going to leave?
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Like what ? the matchmaker canât predict human brain what a surprising fact.
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If Blizzard is the first to develop such systems then wow.
Well not surprising knowing the game is just filled with braindead clowns.
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agreed very much. they go in die rinse and repeat
What rank are you currently at? I might be able to give you some advice. One tip I have is to not play at peak times. That might be hard to do, but it will help. Another tip is to stop playing for the day after 2-3 straight losses. I would like to reiterate that if you need any coaching, please let me know. I can give you my discord or something.
That might work for high ranks, but for low ranks its better to play at primetime. More players means better chance of a fair match. During the morning and late at night, itâs mostly alt accounts bullying anyone that actually belongs down there for NA PC west.
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it is not about that or the matchmaking. The thing is, something most people in low elo do not understand, you do get placed with people of similar skills paper wise so to say.
The thing is most people in low elo are there just to play and not rank up. You get people who will Q Comp in Plat and below after they have finished a tough day at rl work so they want to relax. You will get Q with people who are on a losing streak so they will be more tilted, more aggravated. You will also get Q up with people who have not played Comp in a while and have missed some of the patch notes and will launch their game and click Comp instantly, without even warming up. The other day I had an Orisa player who did not even know that she got changed and kept screaming in VC saying stuff like âwhy does this or that not workâ and everyone else said âyeah she has been reworked quite a bit recently, so things have changedâ and they would go like âoh, ok I did not know, did not play this game for the past 3-4 Seasonsâ. People in low ranks mostly do not care about anything, they just want to play that is all. They just want to kill what they see in their FOV. They do not care about turning around, the abilities the enemy used, who used what ult and such. They simply want to play. But they are in range of your SR so you get grouped up with them.
The System cannot know the mindset of a player who is ranked 2300, whether he is going to troll, whether he will try, whether he actually plays to win or improve etc. The system only sees numbers.
That is why many players complain about the matchmaking. âI get put into games where people do not want to tryâ, âI get put in games where people trollâ, âI get put in games where healers do not want to heal, etc.â
I had games with those big fancy XQC portraits (dunno how they are called, Platinum portraits?) where they just stood still, were not in VC and once you asked them in team chat what are they doing they would reply âsorry am eating atm, or sorry did not see something that was right in front of meâ. That is why it is hard sometimes to get out of low elos, especially if you are actually playing to win and improve and gain SR.
People in low elos have become so much discouraged from everything that they post topics like this, since it is easier to blame the matchmaking. If everyone in low elo actually bothered to improve themselves, played to win even if they played a hero they are not so good that they would be climbing and there would not be a low elo in the first place, unless you are rly new.
I had players who knew what the word META was, how and what needed to be played but they simply refused to do so saying âthis is low elo, it does not matter, I do not want to try, I just want to chill in compâ, hence why you always had 3-4 DPS in pre role Q. People do not want to try or improve. They just want to play and that is not the fault of matchmaking. It is people and their attitude towards the game and Comp mode. You need to be able to surpass all of all in order to climb.
If you decide to do so, the real question would be, whether or not it is worth it? Do you really want to spend all of your time trying to climb out of a rank where people do not care? Where you get destroyed by smurfs? Where you encounter cheaters, throwers on a daily basis? None of those things prevent you from climbing in the long run, but they most definitely destroy any kind of fun and drive one would feel for this game. If you have to win 5 games just to gain 100 SR, 5 games out of the 10 you have played where most of your games were filled with people who had open mic blasting some music or burping in VC not giving a damn about the match, is it really worth it?
it is if you personally decide you want to improve yourself and yourself alone, improve this or that aspect of your gameplay. It is worth it. If you just want to have fun playing with people your own skill in order just to play the game, then no it is not worth it.
None of this has anything to do with them matchmaking but with people and their attitudes and expectations once they Q for Comp.
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Nice post. I agree with most of that. I would like to say that many people are very observant and sensitive to patterns when their games are being manipulated by the MM or by other players. Its not surprising that so many are discouraged and donât feel that it is worth it.
Ranking up isnât required to enjoy the game for many players. Thatâs a good thing, for the most part, imo. I donât think very many players go into a match intending to lose or do poorly, but it doesnât take much to figure out, âoh, itâs going to be one of âthoseâ matches, I may as well just punch a wall to preserve my pbsr.â And that is not good.
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Many players go into comp thinking âoh there is this Junk being pocketed by a Mercy and he is in my LOS, so I will try to kill him, and look I failed he did not die, trash hero and trash matchmakingâ, then they will post a topic about the hero being overpowered or underpowered. Then they will also post a topic about how he did not get help killing that said Junkrat, without ever thinking to maybe try and kill the Mercy first or thinking to look at the killfeed to see who is alive on his team or where his team actually is.
I agree that the System needs improvement. Every system that is based on number needs improvement in every aspect of life. I agree. I also agree that it is not fair to lose SR while one of your teammates decided to leave since in their heads the match was not winnable or because they died while being out in the open for everyone to shoot at him then blaming everyone else for him dying so he decided to leave the match hence making all of his team lose SR. No that is also not fair.
It is also not fair to have just poor tutorial (many players have posted a topics and have posted about how the tutorial in this game is bad). Showing you how Soldier 76 works teaches you nothing about he game itself, the comp, other heroes, their mutual interactions and so on and so forth.
I do not blame people for getting discouraged to play this game after their 5 loss streaks of being Q-up with blatant throwers, people who get kicks out of making someone else miserable, who troll on purpose or being Q-up up against a Smurf who is 2-3 elos above you, 4 games in a row. I do not blame those people when they get angry, smash their keyboards or bang their heads against the wall. Everyone deserves a fair match, I agree, but again all of that does not prevent you ranking up in the long. It may kill your drive and will to climb, make you say âf it, it is not worth itâ, but it will not hold you back. It might take you longer than it usually should to climb and that is something that I would agree with. It should not take you that long.
No one should be able to play 20 games in a row to climb 50 SR and say âok they had a Smurf, we had a leaver, we had a thrower, it is fine, the next game will be betterâ. All of those things happens in every single elo, the difference being it happens more in low elos than in higher ones. And it is most definitely not fair for low elos to play more games just to balance out the smurfs and throwers and ppl not caring just to be able to reach the next elo.
This does not affect your own improvement tbh, do not get me wrong, one should always try and improve themselves and not blame your teammates even if they are emoting in spawn. The reason why they do this is because they have no drive, nothing in this game is giving them the drive to push forward. That is also a thing where the System needs improving.
People do not want to try anymore, they have given up, most of them. If oyu play 10 games in a row where no one wants to try and they simply play by just playing then you feel like you have got beaten to a pulp.
No one wants to Q up in a match where someone says âthey have a smurf, it is gg go next.â This is where the System needs improvement. Give me an incentive to climb. All of us can deal with loses. All of us will get loses. YOu will always get outplayed, even by people in your own elo who are not smurfing and are where they belong. That is not a problem.
The problem is creating this atmosphere where people feel like they should not try just because they had 4 leavers in the previous game or have had a Diamond Smurf who made them play respawn simulator all game. My personal belief when it comes to Smurfs is to use them for free coaching, why is it so easy for them to kill you? What are you doing for making it so easy for them to kill you?
Other people do not have that attitude and that is also ok. Everyone has the right to play this game from Bronze to OWL and everyone has the right to enjoy it. Just do not blame the matchmaking for human error and human mindset. No one knows the mindset of the people you get Q-up with, whether they are sick of playing comp because they lost 10 in a row or whether they actually want to try.
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Yes, up to a certain point, I agree. I used to feel the same way about cheaters in Quake, because they could be teamed up on to be beaten, and it did make me a better player against others who were not cheating. But at some point it just gets tiring.
Iâd rather have a crap attitude at the rank I belong than stroke my ego on an alt account. After a few bad matches Iâll sometimes play vs AI so I can own noobs without actually affecting someone negatively. Itâs not too much to ask others to do the same, but it is too much to expect it.
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I agree with you, yes.
But go launch OW now, do not even play, just launch it and go into the find groups and see how many groups there that are so blatant about throwing down to Bronze, for everyone to see. Open and public. That is where the System needs improvement. Those groups exist since like forever and people still keep creating such groups because no one punishes it, no one cares. The System needs to improve that, not matchmaking.
Also, there are always banters between the enemy team and yours, stuff like âlol I got you Tracer, you were so badâ and stuff like that, it is normal, competitive, funny etc. But yesterday I had a match where our Soldier got flamed by the enemy team for being bad and he said âyeah I know, it happens, the chemo got to me, my reflexes are not what they used to beâ and he got flamed and insulted for being a cancer survivor. It literally made me cry, I swear. I have experienced a lot of different type of toxicity in this game, but something like that was new to me. I reported that guy, but nothing happened. I do not think something will ever happen. That is another aspect where System needs changing.
Insults, bullying on account of race, gender, geography, sexual orientation, you name it has never ever been fully addressed ever since this game came to be. Just type in Youtube âToxicity in Overwatchâ and you will see how many videos there are starting from 2016 till today. Again this is where System needs changing.
When people post on this forum saying âyou need to be better than your current elo in order to climbâ they do not mean especially, shoot more heads (even tho that also bears some meaning, depending on hero, map , team comp etc) but what they mostly mean is if you have spent a decent amount in the elo you want to try and get out of and you have seen it all you should know by now when to Bubble your Mercy for a rez even if that said Mercy is not in VC or has not communicated that she is going to rez at all. You need to predict certain things that are ânormalâ for the elo you are playing in. If you cannot predict those and prevent them then you do not belong in a higher elo. SImple as that. No amount of matchmaking adjustment is going to teach you that or make you do it if you personally never decided to work on it.
If you have 500 hr on Moira and still cannot fade the second the enemy Rein puts his hammer up and is about to shatter, you do not deserve to rank up (or if you fail to predict his shatter and keep on getting shattered 10 times in a row). Put more hours into Moira without ever learning to do the above you still do not deserve to rank up. As simple as that. No throwers, bad teammates, smurfs or anything else will help you or prevent you from doing that, only you can.
I agree that this game has many aspects where the Devs could and should work on in improving, but again in the end the Devs and the matchmaking do not hold your mouse and your keyboard and your head and your thinking when you decide to Q up for Comp. You are the only factor in it.
Yeah Blizzard should compensate you for not being able to predict who is going to leave.
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Thatâs Overwatch in a nutshell.
For OW2, they need to make it so your rank reflects your play.
Right now, youâre just kinda there at the mercy of the (rigged) matchmaker, and ever bs thing you can imagine.
Frustrating toxic game. The entire philosophy of âwe want to force fair matches but not give you enough SR based on your own playâ was wrong. Thereâs a reason âMMRâ doesnât exist outside of this clown fest.
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Already like that. It take all your skill asset average and it gives you your rank.
PBSR.
Shouldnât play this game then.
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They do. They give you less sr when the enemy team has a leaver and you lose less sr if your team has a leaver.
Well you lose a game, what else there should be happen than losing a SR ?
It doesnât, but it knows that theyâve LEFT. Or lost a lot. Or threw.
With MMR looking at peopleâs recent play history, you are likely to receive these players on your team if you have the gall to actually TRY in this game. In their effort to force an even match, they have to âevenâ you out. The better you do, the harder your games, the more throwers and leavers you see.
Players got tired of this, whether they were aware of the the system or not,
So theyâd rather not even try any more.
Overwatch beat ITSELF with itâs idiotic âfair matches for allâ crap.
Accidental disconnects can happen, if matchmaking is going to put users like that with actual ragequitters then it would be an issue.
Also losing already has an impact because your SR goes down thus your rank range changes.
And throwing cannot be detected if itâs not blatant.
And yeah they do even you out, but thatâs much better than having unlucky players getting put in a match with alot of leavers than a few more people with less leavers.