Stadium has the potential to allow players to enter games and not even worry about 2 hard counters because there are at least 5 different ways you can build in response.
Hog into Orisa or Ball into Sombra being easier are actually just the tip of the iceberg, the real meat of the conversation is that heros like Genji will be able to dominate their hard counters again thus resurrecting him from the dead.
To resurrect him from the dead, he’d have to be you know, dead.
Instead he’s the 3rd most picked DPS in T500.
You can’t swap in Stadium anyway so countering needs to be way less impactful for the mode to feel functional. Losing on Hero select because your DPS wanted to play Reaper/Junk and theirs wanted to run Pharah/Ashe in the Lab gamemode sucked, obviously a permanent serious iteration would need that match-up to be less lopsided, or at minimum options to make it less lopsided.
I never died… I still one trick.
As someone who likes playing multiple characters, the idea to play a single hero for 40 minutes or more straight is making me cringe so hard. I don’t think this mode is for me.
1 tricks and perks, if theyres anything else that made him stronger please let me know. apparently he was highly picked in season 13 cause sombra couldnt counter widow for some reason.
good point i never thought of that
we never left bro…
i was going to make a joke but i respect the stamina, just kind of felt sorry for you guys thinking back on ow1.
haha appreciated lol
No, just perks.
1 tricks got nothing to do with his pickrates.
So, just my 2c as someone who played in the playtest – I may be of the minority opinion here, and maybe it’s just a skill issue, but my experience with the counterplay was actually quite miserable. I actually felt like the skill tree builds commonly made things so much worse.
In Stadium, if you happen to have the wrong build versus your opponent, you get screwed so much harder than in normal OW. There may be meta builds, but there wont ever be a single universally good build for any hero, because everything you invest in has the counter of picking the opposing upgrades. For example, Did you invest in health to survive versus a flanker that dives you? Well that meant you didnt invest in damage or healing output, so now you have a harder time killing any opponents that also invested in health or keeping teammates alive with lower healing output against enemies that invested in damage. It pretty much becomes a game of making the correct investments just to keep up with everyone else. It wasn’t like Junkenstein’s lab where all the perks are just big obvious upgrades. There are a lot of ways to upgrade your character that buff many different aspects.
I actually felt like the game mode amplified everything I hated about OW2, where things just die instantly or never die. Hero engagements felt really bad to me. The builds make this extra unpredictable. I’m also someone who hates sitting there trying to min-max builds and sitting there looking for everyones’ stats trying to figure out optimal builds. So I’m not really invested in sitting there counter picking perks every round – not to mention the enemy can sell and reinvest their perks at literally any time meaning you could spend all that time counterpicking a build only to find out it didn’t matter.
On top of that, I also hated the third person mode. I thought it felt SO bad, and I was honestly shocked at how many people thought it was good. The game felt absolutely nothing like OW, and I felt like I was just playing a totally different game.
I’m ok with this.
But only if Genji says it like this:
When did he die?
I still see him very frequently.
Why do people lie about Genji so much? I’m at the point where I feel like there would never be a point in which Genji defenders and downplayers would ever admit he’s anything other than dead.
He was top 3 DPS before perks happened. He’s a mobile character with 250HP (which others got nerfed) and got his Dragonblade swing recovery speed buffed.
1 tricks didn’t keep him top 3. People do not 1 trick heroes who do not help them win in Top500. At most there’s maybe 2 or 3 one-tricks in Top500. Everyone else that has Genji as their primary hero is playing other heroes behind him, and he’s very well-represented in Top500. He’s not like Sojourn, who is OP beyond help, but he’s not dead.
Perks made him even stronger, but he was already strong to begin with. Saying he’s dead is just…comically delusional.
In Stadium, Genji was/is incredibly strong. And while it encourages people to play him, remember that others can build their skill trees around him - either making themselves more sustained when he dives, or more threatening to him.
He didn’t. He’s been a top DPS for multiple seasons now. 
Even with Winston being buffed (and overtuned).
staidum will jsut completely kill the game
Why would it kill the game?
It’s only a competitive mode and it is its own mode, it’s not being pulled into the pool in QP or regular comp.
That actually is not an argument against Genji. Winston pairs GREAT with Genji so if Winston is good Genji will be a good pick because you can put those two on the same team.
being how they set it up currently its not looking good in my opinion
This is definitely going to be a huge problem in Arena. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pharah and Echo are added as the last DPS because they introduce an element of unlimited verticality that like half the roster can’t meaningfully interact with. I just can’t see Junkrat ever being built in a way that still “maintains the hero fantasy” and is able to consistently bop a Pharah out of the sky.
It also works against him because Winston ignores Deflect. A hero working with and against a hero isn’t exclusive to Genji.
but, again…why would that kill OW?
If someone doesn’t like Stadium, they don’t have to play it. It will be its own game mode with its own queue. They can still play the other modes they like.