Spilo is the best content creator and why tanking sucks

[Robert-24922]

At least for me. A top500 coach that understands that you are silver and does not expect you to deliver on his own level, does not expect you to have his mechanics or knowledge of the game.

The guy just points at obvious things. I wish he was more popular than Flats and seagull, seriously. Spilo gives tips that actually apply to your current rank.

Some quick examples - youtube.com /shorts/3TdPuMm3Wlw

youtube.com/ shorts/G5oBXSionyI

And so far, I think he is the best one to explain the tanking issue.

The problem is not that tanks are weak (even though in certain circumstances, they are). The problem is that how tanks create value is very boring compared to other roles. Taking Spilo’s example, you go winston, then the enemy takes reaper and bastion with a clear goal to cancel you. What you can do is to do soft dives, get your shield destroyed, and then reposition. That creates huge value for your team, because the enemy dps is busy shooting a flying target and a shield, so your dps can shoot freely now. You create huge value, but it’s just not fun. Or you can stop playing monkey, and this is also boring because people don’t like being forced to switch THAT often.

Now let’s say you are an Ashe DPS. How do you get the most value? You shoot targets, you reposition, you fire their faces with a dynamite, you call Bob and kill them all.

How you create value with Ana? You nade the enemy and they get completely destroyed in a matter of second. It’s just more fun to play the other roles.

While dps and support have fantastic kit to have fun, tanks are not allowed. In some cases, you can’t even play your favourite tank simply because the enemy has 2-3 dudes counter-picking only you. And if your team is not doing the same, the game experience becomes very frustrating.

You can still climb on tanks, you can still be useful, but it’s just boring.

[RobotWizard-116887]

@Robert-24922

A top500 coach that understands that you are silver and does not expect you to deliver on his own level, does not expect you to have his mechanics or knowledge of the game.

This is why I like both Spilo and Jayne (back when Jayne did content)

[k3ith-2880]

spilo is great. second that with missing jayne
spilo’s got a great attitude towards the game and the people that play it. Surprised hes not way more popular, but its hard to grow on a game that is going downhill ig

[ƁȆĿĿȂ-2379]

The problem with the tanks is that they are too dependent on the supports.
When there is only 1 tank, they get way more focused compared to having 2 so it is a matter on which team can outheal the dmg before the tank dies.

[Robert-24922]

@ƁȆĿĿȂ-2379

The problem with the tanks is that they are too dependent on the supports.

I would say generally very dependent on the comp. Like I LOVE to play monkey, but then my team picks ashe and cassidy, and now I am making our team worse.

[Outside-11127]

@RobotWizard-116887

Jayne (back when Jayne did content)

og Jayne is where I learned how to climb from bronze5 to bronze5.

Jayne was the best and ahead of everyone by lightyears.
I’ve expanded his perspectives on macro, ult economy, map control, space hold vs. take, tempo, utility, baiting resource mismatches, soft vs. hard punish, etc.

…it feels kind of weird knowing all those things and still being…bronze5?
when my teammates don’t do any of those things it really makes you wonder

[CoolUsername-11445]

@Outside-11127

og Jayne is where I learned how to climb from bronze5 to bronze5.

I mean, my rank is qp so you’re still above me.

[Robert-24922]

@Outside-11127

…it feels kind of weird knowing all those things and still being…bronze5?
when my teammates don’t do any of those things it really makes you wonder

Idk my friend, the game decided to put me bronze 3 when I passed my placement, and I am a former 4000+ player. I have no idea why they decided to put in me bronze. I got out in less than a hour.

There can be combined reasons why you are bronze, not just one.

You need

1. Knowledge (abilities, positioning, map, counters, comps）
2. Good aim (3d aim trainer on steam, aim labs)
3. Mastering a pool of characters
4. Never rely on your teammates.
5. 144hz monitor with solid pc and mouse

this just can climb you to diamond like in a month.

[RobotWizard-116887]

@Robert-24922

this just can climb you to diamond like in a month.

They could put a vod up for review, and I am pretty sure we could work out why.

[HarrySack-11448]

We’ll tank busters ruin tanks. Why even have them? It’s the same problem supports had early…. Dive dps and tanks were too strong relative to dps and tank brawl.

Now tank busters are too strong

Sym
Bastian
Mei
Reaper

It happened bc the devs refused to nerf mercy and instead nerfed every hitscan dps.

[Robert-24922]

@RobotWizard-116887

They could put a vod up for review, and I am pretty sure we could work out why.

It’s just hard to say if they have a good equipment or no. That is very important.

[SombrasFeet9-1249]

Spilo rules. I can’t watch his coaching videos because they are so long but I watch most of his other videos.

[TaoOfOne-1730]

Oh? We’re still putting youtubers and twitch streamers up on pedestals? Assuming they’re the best because they’re popular? I’m not quite sure it works that way. I know people IRL who have hundreds of thousands of views on their TikToks. I still wouldn’t take any advice from them in how to live life because they’re also some of the most ignorant people out there.

Stop assuming popularity = knowledge.

[SombrasFeet9-1249]

If you wanted to get tiktok views, I’d take advice from people who know how to get tiktok views. If you want to improve your OW skill, one might take advice from people with the ability to coach people to improve their skill.

[Mooshi-1601]

I miss being able to just go D.Va for fun and brawl. Enemy has a Zarya? Who cares. My other tank will handle her while I’m getting kills.

[TaoOfOne-1730]

Views aren’t knowledge. There’s a reason why you ignore right-wing anti-vaxx nuts who try to espouse medical knowledge… despite them getting a hundred thousand views on their youtube video telling you to inject horse medicine.

Overwatch is no different. Popularity != Knowledge.

[RobotWizard-116887]

@TaoOfOne-1730

Overwatch is no different. Popularity != Knowledge.

You are right popularity != knowledge. But “previous assistant coach for the London Spitfire” does show they have some chops there.

It isn’t “random popular streamer”.

But " There’s a reason why you ignore right-wing anti-vaxx nuts who try to espouse medical knowledge… despite them getting a hundred thousand views on their youtube video telling you to inject horse medicine." is absolutely on point

[TaoOfOne-1730]

Even still. He’s coaching on and operating at a level that 99.9% of overwatch players will never reach or experience.

It’s like a billionaire arguing tax laws are too restrictive.

I’ll take the word over someone who better represents your average player, rather than someone who represents like 50 people in the world.

[RobotWizard-116887]

@TaoOfOne-1730

I’ll take the word over someone who better represents your average player, rather than someone who represents like 50 people in the world.

It is literally why I respect him and Jayne though, he does scale down, and is one of the few which do.

I’d totally agree that most of the streamers are awful in this respect.