Spammy projectiles shouldn’t do obnoxious damage

[Zephrin-11143]

@FizzyMilk-21367

to be fair zen at least requires serious accuracy to actually hit his shots unlike hanzo

funnily tho apparently hanzo arrows are smaller than zen’s orbs tho
source: Projectil Hitbox size's (width) table

@MrNegotiator-2325

Pharah, Junkrat, Hanzo and to a lesser extent, Symmetra and Torbjorn are the main offenders here.

The inherently spammy nature of their slow projectile weapons is probably one of the most major problems the game has been facing for years now

speaking for sym here: her orbs are simply just trash.

they’ve got a sniper tier fire rate which encourages to aim them but they move so slow that you can’t reasonably do so in most ranges.

and before anyone tries to bring up projectile size, no it mathematically actually isn’t enough to compensate the slow speed. see proof below:

@Zephrin-11143

They have splash radius of 2m, diameter of 1m (source ), they move 25m/s, and players typically move 5.5m/s.

So to retroactively dodge a perfectly aimed/fired orb, the target will when fired at 15m away from the target, they take 15/25 = 0.6s to reach the target.
In 0.6s, typical heroes can travel 0.6 x 5.5 = 3.3m > 2.5m projectile radius + aoe splash radius.
i.e. with reaction time included, a target 15m away can guarantee only taking splash fall off damage let alone considering longer ranges.

so obvs bad as an aimed projectile. but what about a spam projectile?
its dps is 120 / (1s charge time + 0.25s wind down) = 96dps
96dps.
it’s literally lower than a body shotting mercy pistol (100dps)
factor in how inconsistent/easily dodgable it is in most ranges as proven above and you defs know that sym’s orbs are bad as spam as well.

I 100% agree with you that the direction they should take for sym orbs is to enumber them around being faster projectiles. like either they make it better spam or better as an aimed weapon fire. I, as a sym main, much prefer the aimed option.