Something tells me MMR is out the window

And you kinda miss the point. It is showing me a number. Only you not the game says it’s not accurate.

In a way it’s worse than a casino… for every game the odds are winning can be researched, OW the clarity not so much.

And battlefield 2042 is my jam. At least when that game crashes (surprisingly only once so far) it was nice eligant crash just the app, so far when OW crashes my screen freezes and I get a video segmentation fault that restarts my pc (:joy::joy: more of that engineering for ya).

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Yes.

And that number is an approximation of your skill, and does not represent the variation of your skill over time, across heroes, and across maps.

Nor does it ever claim to do so.

You just misinterpreted what the number means.

Congrats, I guess?

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Prove it, where’s the disclaimer? Should be easy? Maybe I missed it. But when it gives me an SR I don’t see any footnotes.

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Doesn’t do that in any other game either lol.

You need footnotes to play comp now?

Good grief you people are something else.

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I need footnotes for your argument. It’s your claim not there’s.

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It’s how matchmakers work lol

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So that’s a no? Your claim that the number they present is not really your true skill rating, you have.

I don’t even know what your point was by claiming that, but just sounded sus.

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Bud - the stated existence of MMR?

The devs have acknowledge that it exists - and that matches are balanced on MMR and not SR.

And this entire discussion is about it, so you’ve clearly acknowledged it’s existence as well?

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Oh right the fact they predict and pick and choose people so the prediction is 50/50 which is “arranging” a match. And watching that elo video I learned a little more. Elo does predict but do the organizations throw away or deny matches if the prediction is too skewed?

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Who is “they”?

Is it though?

First off, you can’t just stop at the methodology, you have to prove intent. There is a difference between making a purposely unfair matchmaker and just making a bad one. The existence of certain parameters means nothing unless you can prove exactly how they are intended to be used.

Which brings up the second problem, their use.

There is inherently nothing bad with this. As you literally said in your own words, the point is to make a fair match. Using a fair parameter to argue for an unfair system takes some mental gymnastics not many people are capable of.

I also want to point out that all of this:

is NOT a textbook definition of anything, and presenting it as anything of the sort is an outright lie.

You wrote that out yourself with no basis beyond some other (well formatted) forum post written by someone who ultimately doesn’t have any more concrete details than the rest of us.

Same goes with adding your own embellishments to an actual textbook excerpt. Don’t do that if you want to try to actually sound convincingly unbiased.

Dear lord, the saga continues.

First you start making baseless claims about rigging. When people ask for any evidence, you just claim that it’s “out there, you just need to search for it.” When everyone still couldn’t figure put what you were talking about and asked for more direct help, you immediately either deflected or avoided the question.

Next came the “patent” buzzword phase, where you brought it up every other sentence. But when people kept explaining that you needed more than just a generalized patent for evidence, you consistently failed to provide anything concrete.

Which eventually led tp the time you made a thread asking other people for evidence, which ended up being totally fruitless. I also noticed it seems to have been deleted for one reason or another, which just adds to the humor imo.

Now you’re saying the evidence is being held in super secret lockdown because the legal proceedings cant afford to let it get out that they’re on to something. Of course, you’re the only one with direct access to this lockdown and we’re just going to have to trust your word as you do your due diligence to keep the case secure (ignore the fact that your best attempt at “keeping the secret” is loudly announcing to the world that the lawsuit is underway).

Man, credit where its due, your trolling is top notch. Personally, I can’t wait for the next chapter. My money’s on a cease and desist cropping up soon.

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Obviously, empirically false. Every player in Overwatch has a Skill Rating (SR), which is a specific numerical value. Just is a number that changes over time and between matches, but a specific number all the same.

When I played Overwatch, my Skill rating went from as low as about 500 to as high as about 3000, ranging widely back and forth the whole time. And at any given time in my career, my SR was a precise number. My question to you is, how can any of those numbers be said to represent my true skill when they varied so much and so randomly over time? And when all of my matches were being algorithmically handicapped with Match Making Rating?

SR is one of the determining factors of match making, even though is is distinct and different from MMR.

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That’s not what baseless means. USIPO with patents that change in-game params and cherry-pick players and tamper with natural lobby odds = intent to rig. Derv statements about “fair” matchmaking by rigging the odds = rigging. Definitions of rigging = not baseless.

When I ask for documentation, I mean just that. Find one piece of authoritative documentation that says the patents don’t exist, don’t apply, don’t intent to rig, that the derv statements were wrong. The evidence has been provided numerous times. The burden of proof is through the documentation and statements made. It weighs the belief. People refute it without grounds. Again, provide documentation, counter-facts, or other official statements to refute. Don’t just reject or deny what is official documentation.

For more info on the lawsuit(s) consult the CoD subreddits where they are taking a stand against SBMM. It’s well-known Activision is putting SBMM into more and more of their products including recent Vanguard release. The crowd is stiring and there are numerous lists you can join to be part of the legal action.

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An incomplete picture. Every player also has an MMR, which is what queues are based on and represents a variation of your skill, among other things.

Stop throwing?

Turn your screen back on when each match starts? I’m not sure why you would turn it off to begin with if you planned on trying to win.

No one except the 14 year olds that parrot that “MMR bad handicap” actually believes you. I don’t know who you’re actually trying to convince. Maybe just keeping up appearances?

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They simply cannot believe that their skill IS actually that low :rofl:

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That’s not how the rigging works.

But we’ll take your replay codes to show why your skill is that high.
Just go to your last 10 played and export all of the codes and take a screenshot.

Come back when you have a link to back up your statements.

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They!! They, Slyther!! The ominous “They”

  • Tyrian Lannister
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Back when he played there were probably win/loss bonuses. I remember gaining like hundreds of SR back when these bonuses were present.

You have yet to back your own. Let’s dial back on the calling of the kettle black while being a pot.

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Is the evidence there or is it being witheld for the purpose of buiding a lawsuit?

Get your story straight bud

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Its not even that. I’ve already explained to him that you can’t provide evidence of something not existing because, ya know, it doesn’t exist.

Its just more deflection so he can pretend he knows what he’s talking about, when really his only argument is “Go play CoD”

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And I’ve already explained to you that the USIPO exists, the patents on file exist, their active-use exists, Overwatch being in those patents exists, the derv statements literally saying they rig exists.

You can’t refute well-documented evidence with grounds for denial, that, ya know, don’t exist.

It’s a rigged game says the USIPO and official documentation. “No it’s not” says Slyther0829. Hey guys he got us we can’t have a lawsuit now.