The context for this is this video:
Like…am I one of the few people that don’t see these “buffs” as significant as some see it?
I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem as GOATS being “that greatly better”.
They have more options, but like…it seems like GOATS has more holes/weaknesses in it now. Maybe not super significant, but noticeable.
Although…I gotta say…I think why this feels so big is because SO many people want GOATS “dead” and not “weaker”.
Personally, I’ve never wanted GOATS to die…just not the only option to use in most situations. I wouldn’t mind seeing it sometimes, just not EVERY map.
Also…does Brig really need more nerfs? I don’t feel she carries GOATS THAT much( I feel she’s one of the weaker part of GOATS to be honest, but the shield bash is good coverage).
Again, I could be TOTALLY wrong on this, but I feel GOATS is a little weaker as a whole…just a bit stronger in other areas that aren’t so strong(and by that I mean it isn’t as hard to go against).
The new patch just needs more time I guess.
I like to think that Brig was nerfed for being awfully designed. It’s like the devs lost a bet and had to put her into the game in such a blatantly broken state. She’s ok now, but still a waste of a hero slot IMO. I would just delete her and try out another hero idea. There’s thousands of them online.
Well, since these are players who are scriming with these characters at very high levels of play, I figure that their observations have merit.
We can really only wait and see. They did mention that while Winston-based Goats is still extremely strong, Bunker comps with characters like Torb and Junkrat can now see some viability.
Whats GOATS? seriously whats a animal to do with a video game?
Goats is used to describe a team comp that involves 3 Tanks and 3 supports.
A simple way to remember is:
GO-ing All Tanks/Supports = GOATS.
It was a strategy to counter the double sniper meta (which could OHKO 200hp heroes) IMO, that inadvertently became a meta where DPS heroes felt ineffective.
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thats a actually a thing? no dps in a team? im dreaming of that for years.
Don’t worry about it. Most of you, never saw goats before anyways.
This discussion is about pro level. Not comp.
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The only time I see goats is when nobody on the team wants to play a main healer. Somehow we typically have people who want to play Lucio and Zen though.
Almost never is it full goats, since you always get that one dps that refuses to switch off.
This was just a meme by xQc. Goats was the name of the team that used the 3-3 comp in Contenders Trials and won in Overwatch Open Division Season 2. They started it with Moira/Lucio/Brig and Rein/Dva/Zarya. Pros saw it, tried it themselves, found it to be really strong and then patched out the flaws they saw in the comp. Often trading Moira for Zenyatta for the extra damage, Discord, and Transcendence.
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Yep, it’s the current meta. And it’s boring to watch and often frustrating to play with/against.
only pro level - so the discussion is not relevant - neet!
In normal comp, Even GM level, it’s not that common to find goats every game. People get tired of it, because it’s a boring meta.
as for its effectiveness, It will not change with lucio nerfs or changes.
The source of goats, As almost EVERY SINGLE PROFESSIONAL PLAYER AND COACH mentions, Is Brigitte. And the only PROPER solution is a rework. Nerfing her will just make her less useful in 2/2/2 and still viable in 3/3, until she’s garbage in all types of comps.
Actually it is kinda funny how from average player perspective those are non isuess.
I mean in plat and gold faster you will see dive than 3-3. And meta for some reason don’t trickle in from higher levels of play. Heck even I Gold player didn’t had any problems taking down Briggy in her most broken state.
We can discuss about meta changes but what we can add that wasn’t spoken? Nerf synergy? Ban Tanks and Supports? Change pro scene to be FFA only?
And Dva. A lot of people are pointing to Dva as well as she’s better than Zarya in most situations. They just have Zarya there to cover up the times Dva’s DM is down
just a simple question:
lets assume brigitte is the sole reason for goats.
now, lets imagine you have the job of simply nerfing her so that goats cant work anymore. what exactly would you nerf about her?
this is not a snarky sarcastic question, i just want to know your opinion. just nerf brig regardless of whether shed be useful in 222, just focus on nerfing her so that goats dies. how would you go about it?
like i said. Nerf won’t work. A rework. to make her a dps, or a tank or a pure support. Not a hybrid.
no you said nerfing her would make her useless in 222. what i want to know is: what exact thing about brigitte, in your opinion, is the thing that “makes goats” if you know what i mean.
what is the thing that they would have to take away from only brigitte, for goats to stop working?
Reduce the amount of health given from inspire and the armor given when the health is maxed.
okay. by how much? and dont you think moira would just replace her then?
Actually GOATS is named after the team GOATS in contenders who actually created the comp. GOATS stands for the Greatest Of All Time.
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